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Fuchsia and the Server: Why I'm Betting on Linux

Tyler Smith on December 20, 2019

For those who haven't heard about Fuchsia, it's a brand new operating system by Google that's been under development since at least 2016, and may s...
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Nicholas Drone

I can't get past that 80 percent of websites are still using php

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Tyler Smith

It's wild, right? I imagine a lot of it is maintaining legacy applications. But as someone who has done a lot of WordPress development and uses Laravel from time-to-time, I can tell you that the PHP community is still really active.

Taylor Otwell–the guy behind Laravel–announced on Twitter not too long ago that he's made $10 million on software in the past five years, and I think most of those were just paid tools related to Laravel. It's hard to imagine those kinds of numbers if PHP weren't thriving.

I also think about this tweet sometimes 😅

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Lewis Cowles

Is Taylor misdirection around revenue vs profit?

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Tyler Smith

I don't think he had any misdirection. The word he used was 'sold.' I probably should have used the same world as well. It's still a big chunk of change. Here's his tweet:

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Lewis Cowles • Edited

1) Most people still won't understand. Indignantly repeating yourself does nothing to change that. Your own assertion it's a big chunk of change seems to indicate you don't understand it.
2) It's a worthless statement without knowing how much was spent + how much time to get such a figure or what the distribution is.

Knowing how much one guy has sold, doesn't tell you anything about the viability of investment. If you're a programmer you need to understand investment in order to understand sustainability and suitability.

7 years of data in github.com/laravel/laravel/graphs/... suggests > 400 people have contributed just to the core project. Not to count the blog posts, services provided.

I'd sooner get to know the viability of an ecosystem for all those involved with a multi-modal distribution rather than see how it's benefited one individual

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Noah Cain

I'm actually on a team working to create a de-googled variant of Fuchsia, we had a lot of privacy and security concerns as well.

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Tyler Smith

That's really cool! I'm really excited about Fuchsia on mobile. Does your de-googled Fuchsia have a website or repo where I could learn more about it?

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Noah Cain

github.com/dahlia-os
reddit.com/r/dahliaOS

It's is mainly frond end right now, but we have de-googled most of zircon.

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Tyler Smith

That's fantastic. I hope this project does well!

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dmjohnsson23

There's also RedoxOs, a new microkernel OS that is "real" open source software and seems promising to me

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Tyler Smith

Whoa, I'd never heard of Redox. This is super cool, thank you for sharing!

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imran • Edited

Well i was just passing by googling around and thought to stop here for a moment before i get back in car for the groceries i was heading to ... I believe its high time the author and anybody influenced by this article should take the example of Nokia and it being head of Symbian consortium. Nokia basically deprived motorola, sony-ericsson, samsung to acquire 1st level citizenship in Symbian ecosystem. At top of my mind i am recalling that RealPlayer etc 1st level citizenship privileges Nokia kept only for its own superior built of Symbian. So when Android arrived, all three above spat back and jump the boat/gun of this more equality giving religion.
Same is the dilemma with Linux since 80s if i take author's date and time. RedHat broke $1bn revenue mark i guess around 2014. Now it gobbled up everything around leaving other glorious FOSS systems in a Nokia vs others type relationship. SUSE the next best/biggest thing is as clear as sun example. with revenues so meager everyone doubts if it will be ever be able to get a lover or climb itself to even 10% of RedHat's revenues. IBM's takeover of a FOSS champion has own heracies (rest aside what modules they have outsourced to indian callcenters to further develop them). Anyway any big FOSS is under wings of RedHat and inturn IBM (nokia of FOSS). Amazon etc all have ARM cpus ready too and they know their Linux variant dont have much left to acquire from FOSS world. Google knows this desperation and frustration. Thay can also come up with their own ARM asic like every tom, dickle harry and on top they know that better too just like when MS went on to custom design ARM for their custom windows even server and DB or customised (AMD) gpu for xbox or hololens; they totally rocked!!! (though satya has till today left/leaving no chance to ruin MS; 1st kept pidepipering MS behind his chakra-engine, couldnt preempt mediaplayer vs winamp/vlc, backtoback fails of msn-msngr/office-communicator/lync/skype, couldnt keep pushing winCE or buy qnx to help winpho, let python creep over our faces to fang ps, couldnt make ps using most of dos syntaxes). Now back to point; Google working with all ARM vendors over android can dev more adv ARM architecture... the most difficult part is/was what they have already journeyed i.e Fuchsia.. so to circumvent all the above said *nix clutter brewing since 80s (head/man/less/tail/cat/touch/finger/sed) .. Fuchsia running on ARM motherboards (think 100s of flagship smartphone motherboards in a briefcase) basically whole datacenter under ur table in a box is the next big thing and IBM/RedHat/Nokia are nowhere there! Nokia not even needed to be in the slashes here it died along with its arrogance n now is HMD pawning everything it had to more righteous owner; MS.
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I am no fan of google i am just seeing things nokia/symbian way (the last north/south poles flipping disruption).