Hey everyone! Your favorite dev community ray of sunshine here! ☀️😊 I hope you're all having a fantastic week, learning and growing in ways you never imagined. If not—it's never too late to change things up!
So, I'm trying a new thing on here. I've been hosting the #CodersTeach Twitter chat for... hm... 26 weeks! (On March 26th, ha!)
#CodersTeach chats happen weekly on Tuesday nights at 8 PM EST, under the #CodersTeach hashtag!
Saron really inspired me to use my platform and steadily-increasing visibility to help others learn from each other. #CodeNewbie chats have been such an integral part of my developer growth AND community inclusion. I've met people through #CodeNewbie that have made me a better person—people who inspire me to make this industry the best it can be. ❤️
In #CodersTeach, we talk about all kinds of stuff, and we have a blast! Some of the topics so far have been:
- Lifelong learning
- Problem solving
- Learning resources, including e-Learning platforms, books, podcasts, and videos
- Learning skills and hacks
- Kids and coding
- Conference talks
- Code, of course, but language-agnostic... just conceptual! :)
So, I'm going to start doing a quick recap of what we talked about, to share participants' responses with the community. Hopefully, it provides some valuable insight into these super important topics, so enjoy and engage in the comments if you have thoughts!
This week's topic was salary negotiation.
This is such an important topic we need to be addressing as early on as possible, because there were a lot of common themes of low sense of self-worth.
It really reminded me of why I dedicated a whole week to career-based topics like this in my online course + career change coaching program for self-taught coders, 30 Days to Web Development. This shit is big. We literally leave money on the table unless we know what we're worth, and how to communicate it.
We started out with a quick poll, with some interesting results!
Out of 23 respondents,57% said they HAD negotiated a salary, and 43% said they had never negotiated a salary before.
I think I have a very unique outlook on the salary negotiation process. We're just usually too nervous or uncomfortable, or lacking confidence:
A1: I'm actually kind of excited about the salary negotiation phase! It means you've already done the hard part, and now, if they're the right company for you, they're looking to find out what they can do to help keep you happy working there. #CodersTeach23:10 PM - 26 Mar 2019
Lauren went right in 🤣🤣:
But then made a really valid point:
Some of our other responses:
As one of the highlights of the night, our resident Rabbi on Rails, Yechiel dropped some experience and knowledge bombs on us in this amazing thread 💣💣 Go read!
In this question, I challenged y'all to put on your imagination caps.
You're a hiring manager. You really like a candidate, and make them an offer to join your company.
They ask to think on it, then come back with a counter-offer that's significantly higher than the initial. What do you do?
A2.2: First, I'd be super impressed because counter-offering takes guts. Especially if it's a non-male candidate. I'd ask them to show their market research. If they're prepared on the spot, I'd take the offer up the chain and see what we could work out. #CodersTeach23:28 PM - 26 Mar 2019
@lavie_encode A2: From the way I understand the dynamic, HM basically expect you to negotiate so the initial offer is likely to be lower than the max they are willing to give. I assume they usually have a range they can play with, but the ultimate decision in made higher up.
#CodersTeach00:06 AM - 27 Mar 2019
@lavie_encode A2: I guess it really depends on the manager that I am pretending to be. Obviously, they have competing goals of hiring talent and saving money. So most won't give you the best offer 1st. If I didn't give it the 1st time, I tell them how much wiggle room there is in the budget>23:33 PM - 26 Mar 2019
"No stupid questions" time! Well, it's always that time, because there are no stupid questions. They don't exist.
So, this part is particularly important. Real devs have questions, and I'd love to hear responses from some folks in the community with salary negotiation experience!
Here's what our folks are wondering, starting with me:
I was leaning toward "definite red flags, run away!", which seemed to be confirmed by others:
@lavie_encode I'm no expert but, lower than market value tends to be a red flag for me and for some reason, I actually counter higher. For me, this usually gets them to show their true colours pretty quickly. If they respond incredulously, I feel it may be a fight for every penny, every year.23:55 PM - 26 Mar 2019
@lavie_encode A3: I'd ask for tips on negotiating salary as an introvert besides just doing research. It would be great getting tips on how an introvert might approach situations like when a hiring manager makes a counter offer during negotiation. #CodersTeach23:51 PM - 26 Mar 2019
&y H. Golang@andyhaskell2013@lavie_encode A3: From my past job searches, what goes into building a case for negotiating a higher salary in a kind of work you'd never done 9-5 before? (First job search was first time coding for work, second search was first time doing a job in web and in a business) #CodersTeach23:45 PM - 26 Mar 2019
@lavie_encode A3: As a negotiating hiring manager, what would be an immediate turn off?
If you had to give advice, would you say, unless they offer the world, always make a counter offer? Do you always ask for 10% more just because, if you don't ask, you don't get?
Sorry. 3 q's😜
#CodersTeach23:44 PM - 26 Mar 2019
Here's what's going on with our #CodersTeach fam:
Yechiel is doing his first Meetup talk! 🕺🏾
I'm doing a giveaway for 30 Days to Web Development, my online course + career change coaching program for self-taught coders! It ends on March 31st at 11:45 PM EST, so be sure to enter!
A4: I got a shout out, and a rad one at that: I'm giving away lifetime access to 30 Days to Web Development, my online course + career coaching program for self-taught coders! Check out the deets here, ends March 31st! lven.co/giveaway #CodersTeach23:59 PM - 26 Mar 2019
Andy has a tutorial for IndexedDB in the works!
Lauren wrote about her first hackathon!
Jacob shared a dope new podcast called 2ndCareerDevs, hosted by software engineer Kyle Shevlin!
Dave is building an API!
John is killing it!
And Jerami wrapped it all up with some BIG LOVE! 💕
Then, join us all for #CodeNewbie chat on Wednesday at 9:00 PM EST!