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Developer with New Baby Coming Soon — HELP!

I'm incredibly excited that my wife and I will be having our first baby girl in a month or so.

Also, pretty scared.

Looking to get a good thread going with practical tips and tricks.

My top questions / concerns:

  • How do I balance supporting being there for family and pushing my career through ongoing learning?
  • Am I really going to be able to balance my Engineering Manager job and a new baby?
  • My job is remote, how do I make myself available for wife and baby and also have clear work time?
  • Will I die of lack of sleep?

Other parents — Please help!

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Mark Adamson

At the start, for the first few weeks you'll probably have zero extra time to do any learning outside of work. The exception for me was when I would take our baby downstairs early in the morning if I woke up so that my wife could definitely sleep properly. He would carry on sleeping while I did some reading.

As time goes on they aren't generally so all consuming time wise.

The hard thing with current working from home is making sure that you make time to get out of the house during the week as your partner might not get the usual support that they would get from family and friends (depending where you live)

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John Jacob

Super helpful. I am totally expecting that first few weeks to be a shit show. 🤣

How many weeks / months was it until they weren't so "all consuming time wise"?

Yea this idea of "getting out of the house" seems important, although a bit more challenging in a Pandemic. Luckily we've got a bit of family close by.

Thanks for the thoughts / tips!

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Audrey the Nerd

Maybe I can answer the weeks/months for you. The milestones for things getting progressively easier look something like this:

  • 3 weeks (you are able to add more hours to your total sleep)
  • 3 months (better sleep)
  • 4 months (easier bonding as the baby starts interacting more, also more sleep)
  • 6 months (pretty good routine at this point. As a mom, I was able to get even 5-6 hours of sleep. Mind you, mine was (and is) a pretty good sleeper, or at least consistent)
  • 8 months (even better routine, outings are easier)
  • 12 months (congrats, you have a toddler now!)

It helped me to look forward to these milestones when things were hard. Keep in mind, these are not set in stone, and every baby differs.

I found that in some ways, my productivity increased at work because I must accomplish certain tasks in a given timeframe (when the baby is sleeping, etc) because there is literally no other time to do it.

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Mark Adamson

Good question, and I really don't remember. That's the other thing, time elapses in a very strange and different way. Especially when mixed with working from home!

It partly depends when you manage to put them down for daytime naps. Keep trying at that and it will (hopefully) suddenly be possible when it seemed impossible before. Then again every baby is different!

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John Jacob

Thanks ✌️

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devcoder

Mine is 1 year and a half now, first 11 months basically did not sleep...everyone baby is diff tho so hopefully you wont experience that. During those months he was up every 2-3 hours all day and all night.....so we would take turns on the night shift(hardest things ive ever had to do in my life). Flash forward to now things are way easier.... I work from home....and we take turns waking up with my son every other day, he gets up at 7am...i watch him till i start work at 830 and go into a different room that has a door. I pop out through out the day but mostly am able to focus on work. After work i take over until he goes to sleep which is 8pm then I have my free time, usually go to sleep around midnight. But I am not going to lie that first year will be challenging. Also during all this i started my journey to learn to code.

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Zane Milakovic

Let me start with the most obvious.

All babies are different, but worst case, you will loose sleep. Your wife will be able to cope with it better, as she has been dealing with change for much longer than you. And she will adapt quicker.

Just buckle in for the long haul and be ok with the fact that coffee may not solve your off day. People are typically understanding.

As far as making time, that really depends on how you can step away. Find small breaks if possible. The good news is they sleep a lot, so when they are young it’s actually easier assuming they don’t have complication or colic. But start small and often. It could be stepping up to feed with a bottle, to rock the baby to sleep, or change a diaper. Good news, it does not smell until they start eating solids really. Though the first two days it’s like black tar.

Kid first, career second. Focus on paying bills these first few months, use the time to bond. People don’t talk about this often enough, but it’s REALLY hard to bond with the kid sometimes as the father. My wife carried both my kids for 38 weeks. By the time they came, she was vested and bonded right away. With my first, it took me almost 4 months and was when she first smiled at me (it was gas). It will happen, don’t be frustrated, just focus on going through the steps. Skin to skin. Changing diapers. Feeding. Holding and cuddling. Etc. After you bond you will figure out quickly what you can and can’t do. The first few months will actually give you the most time to be honest.

I am a director of engineering. So I am right there with you. Believe it or not, you got this. Focus on keeping your team unblocked and there growth while you work. Then focus on the baby and your wife’s need. Then yours.

It is trade offs. Schedule time for yourself to do what you want to do. Make it transparent with your wife with her agreement. That is your time to do a side project, attend a remote conference, etc. But do it with her. But I would focus on doing this slower at first, and then you can pick the pace up.

For me, I game or watch movies less. My kids are not 3 and 1, and I do find time still. That being said my wife does a lot of her growth, while they are distracted. But her stuff is more portable than mine. So it’s about transparent compromise and your solution may be different.

On sites like dev, it’s easy to think everyone chases there career at all costs. But that isn’t true. Most don’t. It’s sad, but true. People here are trying too. So your in good company. But it’s ok to take a step back for your health and your families.

Also remove your wife is going through something wonderful but difficult. Be sensitive and put them first until you get into a a good place.

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John Jacob

Wow. So many incredible nuggets here. Thanks fo much for taking the time to write this up. It really means a lot.

To me a huge takeaway (with career) is:

Focus on keeping your team unblocked and there growth while you work.

It's easy to forget how high leverage investing in the team can be 💪

The other part that's so crazy to hear is this idea that bonding can take so long. I did not expect that. That sounds tough.

Again — thanks so much

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Zane Milakovic

And don’t stress about it, you will bond in time. It is different for everyone. For me I never even held a baby or babysat a kid. So it was some real personal growth for me to welcome this thing into my life. But I would not trade it for anything. My oldest is easily becoming my best friend.

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lachlanv

Excitement and fear, I would say, is an appropriate response 😉

I have recently gone through this myself. I am 25 with a 15-month-old - but to be honest I remember the struggles of the first year vividly.

I imagine it might be harder being an engineering manager, with a team relying on you (depending on how self-sufficient they are). I was really struggling from about 2-6 months when my son was at his most demanding (he only wanted me to put him to sleep, and he needed that 5 or 6 times a day). My boss at the time had a 9-year-old, and some of the best advice he gave me to give me hope, was that remember things start getting easier after 6 months and by 1 year it will be significantly easier. There are new challenges as they get older, but the really hard ones fade away.

When my son was born I worked full-time, completed my university degree part-time, spent most of the rest of my time with my family. There will be times you can sneak in extra learning time if you want to. At those times it might be healthier either sleep or take some time to relax, but that's up to you.

Although I love my son deeply, the lack of freedom taking care of a child has been hardest on me. I now feel like having a baby takes away a huge amount of freedom all at once, and over the next 18 years, you are slowly clawing your freedom back. This can be challenging as far as work goes.

Everyone is different - and every baby is different. Although keeping your job is important, I would say try to keep in mind, when you look back on this time, the moments you'll never forget will be the ones with your baby: when they are born, the first time they hold something or when they fall asleep on your shoulder.

You CAN get through it though. It's pretty normal to worry about this and look for shared experiences online, in my opinion. Being a father hit me hard at times, and I did suffer from depression (with effects lingering even now). You will probably be constantly looking back and think "Wow, I remember when this baby was a screaming, slimy blob but now they can crawl, or walk, or say 'dada'".

Anyway, I really hope you do fine. I'm sure you will.

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John Jacob

Sheesh — Working full time, new baby and completing university. That’s rough! Respect.

Lack of freedom seems for real. Sheesh. Especially as young as you were getting started. I’m 31 so I feel like I’m ready to be stuck with a baby. But we’ll see. 😬

Yea shit — baby first before career. This is so important to remember.

screaming slimy blob 🤣

Thanks so much for taking the time to write this up and your transparency. Means so much. ❤️

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lachlanv

All good. When discussing children, many people are like "They will complete you! You'll be so happy! They are the light of your life!", but IRL it's not easy a lot of the time (this is especially bad for mothers IMO). I think it's better to be honest, so folks can manage their expectations.

That being said, the fact that my son can sit up on the couch on his own right now, and get up and down by himself is such a wild, amazing thing. He once could barely open his eyes and knew how to do nothing but eat and breathe. Machine learning is great and all, but you really see it has nothing on a human baby.

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lachlanv

Also, don't be surprised if your daughter takes a few weeks/months to feel bonded to you. The man's role in baby-making is short and simple, and we're punished (or rewarded?) with babies generally being MUCH more attached to their mother's for a little while. Eventually, they like you though, like a friend.

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John Jacob

Man — I'm glad that this thread is bringing this up. I did not expect this. Being less "bonded" than the wife. It makes sense though. Seems like it just takes longer. I've got time ¯_(ツ)_/¯ but that's an adjustment.

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Andreas Møller

Focus on your wife and baby. Your career will be fine

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Andreas Møller

And congratulations:)

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Austin Cunningham • Edited

6 months in myself. First 3 months were a blur it does get better after that. Working from home myself. Usually take him in the morning at 6:30am or 7am till I start at work at 8am. If he is awake at lunch I take him for a while. Keep a phone or tablet to hand as you can spend hours with them on lying on you and you may not be able to move, good time to start reading . Your going to become the bottom of the food chain at home its baby then mommy then you if you have guests tell them bring food.Night time wake ups change the nappy/diper even if its only slightly damp might give an extra half hour sleep. Enjoy its piles of fun when they start laughing. Baby's on Netflix is a good watch.

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John Jacob

Ok cool — it’s helpful to know it evened out a bit after 3 months. (But I’m also learning all babies are different)

“hours with them on lying on you and you may not be able to move” 😂

You make it sound fun! "Piles of fun" hahah

Thanks so much for your thoughts

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Seth Hall • Edited

Hey John,

First, congrats! This is a great celebration and a time of joy and reflection on life itself.

Second, it will be one of the greatest challenges of your life but totally worth it.

I have been working in web development and film/video production while raising two kids. Here are a few bullet points.

  • don't let work get in the way of time with kids and family. They really do grow up fast and the old saying "the days are long but the years are short" is very true.
  • you may not be able to do it all but do the best that you can and try to enjoy every moment.
  • when you "clock out" put away your phone and computer and just hang and rest and rejuvenate with your family. That will help you balance and decrease burnout.
  • I have never been more tired in my life and it seems to be never ending. but my kids are now older and things have evened out. The phase you are in will not last forever. Just keep moving forward and appreciate the small things.
  • Take it one day at a time. Each day take time for yourself, time for your family, time with just your wife and time for work and even continued learning. Break it into daily manageable chunks and before you know it you will be running smooth on all cylinders.
  • you can definitely balance the two you will just need to give yourself time to adjust.
  • working remotely is the best case scenario. You can be there for your wife and daughter when needed, you can take a break to be with the baby and give your wife a break, then jump back into work. Again, this is the best case scenario. As your daughter gets older you will need to set clear boundaries about when you are working and when you are not. This is something I still have to reiterate to my kids, that they have to respect the boundaries and let daddy work.
  • I will say again, if you are like me, you will be so freaking tired it will be overwhelming. Make sleep a priority and just take it one day at at time, enjoy your family, enjoy your work and don't take things too seriously. Parenting is full of ups and downs not matter how you look at it. Going with the flow and having a sense of humor will help you. Allowing time for yourself, time alone with your wife, time with your daughter and then work. And believe it or not, work actually becomes a respite from the demands of family and parenting. A necessary and welcome one to pay the bills. I assume you like your job, so this is amazing. You get to work out of your house, in a job you enjoy, which allows you to reset yourself before jumping back into family and parenting.

I will end with another congrats and a good luck. You can do it and it will be amazing!!

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John Jacob

Wow! Thank you so much for the detailed reply. I've never heard this: "The days are long and the years are short" 😢 Makes tons of sense.

Interesting how work can be a "respite" makes tons of sense.

Yes, putting things away after clocking out is a good one. Already starting to practice that coming close to leave.

Thanks again ✌️

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Seth Hall

You got this John!! It is a wild journey, but one worth taking. All the best.

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Daniel Leong 🇸🇬

Many of the babies have specific rhythm/pattern that both you and your partner can catch/find and get the baby to do what they should be doing, like sleep/eat at a specific time. The only problem is when you start to catch on to that rhythm/pattern, they grow out of it and start a new one.

Just be prepare for a long period of time of just supporting your wife.

Congratz anyway.

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John Jacob

Interesting about the "Patterns" sounds like I might be able to grab some moments of sanity.

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Daniel Leong 🇸🇬

You both probably could get a day or 2 of sanity, before the pattern starts changing again.

This is especially so when they are still a baby.

Once they get to about 1.5-2 years old, things will be a lot different. A whole different ball game.

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Isaac Lyman

We've got an 18 month old. It's so joyful to be around him. Honestly, he's always been a good sleeper and some babies are like that. We lost more sleep because of our dog than we ever did from the baby.

I work remote. We have a pretty natural routine: I help get the baby up and make his breakfast, then go downstairs to work. When I come up for lunch, if the timing is right, I help feed him again. I always finish work between 4 and 5 PM, so at that point I come up and the rest of the evening includes making dinner, playing with the baby, reading to him, bathing him, and putting him to bed.

You probably get this, but it bears repeating. Kid comes first, job comes second. Your team will understand if you're not there sometimes.

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Jaime González García

Congrats!!! Becoming a parent is one of the best things in life ❤️😀

I wrote about my experiences balancing parenting with software development a while back here:

barbarianmeetscoding.com/blog/2018...

And here:

barbarianmeetscoding.com/newslette...

Hope it helps!

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Shawn Sommer

Hi John,

First off, congrats on having a new addition to your family coming soon! I was somewhat in the same boat as you a few weeks ago. My baby boy was born last Wednesday so I am figuring things out as I go.

My experience thus far has been hectic, to say the least. I haven't had much time for learning or projects since my wife came home with my son last Friday. Most of my days have been eaten up doing things around the house since my wife is currently not able to do a whole lot other than care for our son. So I would say that at least the first couple of weeks are really going to be spent mostly serving your family. Just do your best to be the best dad and husband you can be while your wife recovers from giving birth. Hopefully, you are on some sort of paternity leave for at least the first couple of weeks.

I haven't experienced any sleep-related issues yet. I am getting fewer hours of sleep than I normally would but it hasn't been all that drastic. My wife and I have pretty much worked it out that she takes care of our son at night and then I relieve her during the day when she needs some time to rest. It isn't perfect, but that's what has been working for us thus far. Our baby sleeps a lot during the day so we mostly spend our time snuggling on the couch and I really cherish the time I get to spend with him.

I can't really give a whole lot of advice on how to partition your time between work and family time. I can tell you that I generally get a couple of hours to myself during the day to do as I please, but only after taking care of all the necessary things (watching the baby, doing the laundry and dishes, cleaning the house and yard, etc...) and before I make dinner (I'm also cooking all the meals). I really can't get too deep into anything during that time but I try to stay connected to programming in some way (that's why I am here on dev reading blog posts 🙂).

I really wish I could offer you more advice on how to balance work with a new baby but I am currently without a job and not sure how I am going to handle the situation once I do start working again.

Good luck, and try to enjoy your time with the family as much as you can.

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John Jacob

Last Wednesday‽ Damn! Congrats. I feel like you are beta testing this dad thing for me. 🤣

Yea, I’ve got 3 weeks, I hope that’s enough to be a help. I really want to help her have time to bond with baby and get back on her feet.

That schedule handoff sounds like a good plan. I’m an early bird and my wife is a night owl, so that might work out well. Good tip.

It’s good to hear you at least are able to grab moments to yourself / be here on dev.

Thanks so much for taking the time to write this up! Best of luck with new baby! Keep us posted!