When people think "web development", what do they get wrong?
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According to my mom, I'm installing Windows. π€·ββοΈ
According to everyone: I can fix printers.
This. 1000 times this.
According to everyone, I can fix their computers. If only they knew I can barely fix mine when it fails.
I expect everyone to be at least electrical engineer and devops. I don't care about your coding.
I feel some recruiters think if they're hiring a web developer, they must be good at that AND:
I sincerely think they're in a great misconception. Come on man, I'm good at web dev that's why I want to _dev_elop a _web_site! I'm not good at Kubernetes!
:) But I think this is the Job of Full Stack Developer. Isn't ?
Yes, but also to varying degrees. I started in FE, but I'm also very comfortable building a backend codebase. I'm weaker with DB and devops.
Don't get me wrong, I can stand-up a DB and deploy kubernetes containers, but when you get into the deep understanding issues I lean on my teammates that have devoted more time to those disciplines.
Full Stack doesn't mean "knows everything at an advanced level" it just means you can be productive and contribute at any level (while knowing when to call for backup and not spinning your wheels when someone else could help you get there faster)
Highly agree with this. Thanks for your input :)
Iβm going to use this phrase instead of full stack :)
Well, for me as a front-end dev, all of those skills just doesn't make sense!
That's what I originally thought about backend technologies. However, as I move into increasingly difficult frontend topics I've learned that having experience in Node, NPM, custom APIs, and other server-side is extremely beneficial.
HTML & CSS are not programming languages. Also frontend is easy and not time consuming.
They are not programming languages. Front end is easy as long as itβs not too complex. After that, it becomes a challenge indeed.
HTML is a markup language. Javascript is a full on language. There was a time when front end development was second class, but today there is no real distinction between front end and back end in terms of skillsets.
They are all programming languages. Some are declarative, some are imperative. A declarative language like CSS doesn't make it "less than" or not "full on".
I didn't say CSS is less than. It has its function as a cascading style sheet in the context of HTML. HTML itself is a markup system for content, even if ironically the content these days is delivered through REST API more often than not. Front end development usually involves some kind of framework like Angular, Vue, or React. Each technology has its place. However, if you only know HTML and CSS I don't know how you would fare in a modern web application development environment.
I'm currently trying to self teach myself and if you wouldn't mind answering a beginner's question, what should I learn besides HTML and CSS? I had planned JS as my third lesson.
JS is a good place to go next! You'll be able to use it almost immediately with the HTML/CSS knowledge you have, and, in addition, you'll be able to start doing back-end stuff on Node. If possible, get going with TypeScript -- there's a little extra overhead, but it will (a) help you to make fewer mistakes and (b) set you up for Angular or React (and you can use it effectively with Vue too, and on the backend!)
Just dropping into add that you can solve FizzBuzz with just HTML and CSS.
If your definition of a programming language is "structured text which represents machine instructions", then, yes, HTML and CSS are programming languages. But, instead of imperatively saying "add an element X to parent Y", it's written declaratively as
<Y><X></X></Y>. And, since there's no branching instructions in HTML, it's not turning complete.Funny enough, under the same definition, markdown is also considered a programming language, meaning I just wrote a little program π
And if my grandma had wheels she would have been a bike.
Yes - they aren't. To reduce misunderstanding you could translate what these acronyms stand for.
Hyper Text Markup Language and Cascading Style Sheet
Where did you see programming language here?
If they are programming languages then please show me how you will implement factorial algorithm with only HTML and CSS and I will agree with you.
HTML & CSS aren't programming languages. They're computer languages, but not programming languages.
Same with things like JSON, markdown, etc. They're no less valuable for that, and the web wouldn't be the web without them.
I came on to say βCSS is easyβ.
I find it harder than learning Haskell or C π
CSS is extremely difficult, specially to programmers, because it's a completely different way of thinking. At the same time, it's an extremely elegant language and I wish more programming languages had that same level of elegance.
What makes it a different way of thinking, the declarative nature of the language? Think thatβs the right term.
Not only that, but also the non-linear aspect, I'd say.
HTML and CSS are not programming languages. Front end is, however, just as time consuming as back-end.
Before I started working with React, I was an ecommerce (Magento) frontend developer. At the time, when I was trying to explain frontend development to a person that doesn't know much about programming, it usually went like this.
When I was working at an ecommerce company, my relatives were convinced it was Amazon. The concept that there are Amazon-like online shops out there were a bit too hard to grasp ;)
Basically another version of the typical
Something similar happened to me with an older neighbour.
That was back when CRT TVs were still a thing.
It's not like I blame people for it, but it does make me wonder why nobody cares what programemrs really do yet I don't exactly see many people asking a carpenter to fix their car.
When I say I am a web developer my little cousin thinks I am a spider man πΈ
When you start to catch up on all the JS frameworks, your cousin actually turns right :)
web developer !== web emitter"So... I hear you write websites. Can you make me an app?"
People always assume, at least in my cases, that web development = native app development...
Well, if you know React you can say Yes :)
"Sooo... you can hack a Facebook account, right?"
Googling is most important skill to have and it really isβ€οΈ
I wasn't hired, Google was hired.
this surely made my day
Its not completely true, I am an experienced googler π€£
Bro you need to stop, or I will stop learning Node and react!
No please don't stop on my account, truth is I have been doing this a long time and I couldn't remember it all, there is just no way, but I can remember the topic or the right questions (the secret of success in programming, ask the computer the right question), so I use Google as it is a tool to get such answers, you as a programmer are expected to use the right tools for the job, brains often degrade over time.
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This is absolutely true! :)
lol
But it is.
People often treat web application development as something inferior to making desktop software or mobile application.
I honestly don't know why.
Yeah. I think it used to be like that. But nowadays it is just as complex as backend development