Antonin J. (they/them)

Posted on Apr 5, 2019

CSS Is Hard - How do you learn to use and write CSS properly?

#discuss

The discussion on "Is CSS hard or not?" has been raging on Twitter for the past couple of years. There have been so many hot takes it's hard to keep track of but the conclusion seems to be the same: many people aren't sure how to structure their CSS and how to use it in a clean and scalable way.

I'd love to hear your tips and resources on where to go to learn to use CSS properly!

Top comments (27)

Cedric W • Apr 5 '19 • Edited

TBH I don't think CSS is hard. Like any other language, if you are not working with it consistently, it won't stick. I find JS hard due to it not being the language I work with continously. With that said, I would say:

Learn the Basics first

Stay abreast to the basics before trying a framework.
Always keep a resource open, w3schools.com, css-tricks.com, dev.to or Mozilla.

Learn layout techniques before frameworks

In many cases you don't really need a framework if you learn how to utilize grid and flexbox. However, I use them in conjuction with Bootstrap. Either way, these techniques are quite powerful on their own.

If working with CSS Grid use Chris Coyiers guides as a resource: css-tricks.com/snippets/css/comple...
If working with Flexbox use Chris Coyiers guides as a resource: css-tricks.com/snippets/css/a-guid...

Conquer the Cascade with Specificity

If you ever find yourself wondering why a style is being overwritten, it maybe due to a class being to general and not specific enough. This is where CSS Specificity comes in.

Learn about CSS specificity, Emma Wedekind has a great article addressing this:

CSS Specificity

Emma Wedekind ✨ ・ Jan 21 ・ 4 min read

#css

Learn to Center All the Things

There are cases where you may need to center an inline element, block element, flex, grid element, or plain text. There are best and different practices for each case.

Learn to center elements vertically, horizontally, or both. Chris Coyier has a guide for that. css-tricks.com/centering-css-compl...

Next Step Advance Learning

Once you are more advanced and comfortable with the basics and all of the above, try:

BEM: (Block‑Element‑Modifier)

5 Reasons To Use BEM: blog.elpassion.com/reasons-to-use-...
Friends with BEM-efits

Angela Damaso ・ Jan 30 '18 ・ 3 min read

#css #sass #architecture #bem

SASS: (Syntactically Awesome Style Sheets)

Tools for Sass:

Prepros: prepros.io/
Koala: koala-app.com/
Codekit: codekitapp.com/index.html
VSCode also has some native handling and extensions for SASS

Hopefully this helps.

Antonin J. (they/them) • Apr 10 '19

I've seen BEM mentioned often as a way to scale CSS. Do you have any experience with it?

I've briefly tried it before and found myself getting tangled in very long class names in complicated components.

One of the newer approaches that looks very promising is that "utility-first" approach. ie. lots of small utility classes that you compose in the HTML and then extract out into component-based classes. What do you think about that?

Cedric W • Apr 10 '19

BEM is mostly about readability. If you are working within a group or with vendors that are familiar with the syntax, even seeing the code for the first time, they wouldn't have to do much to parse what classes are for what. BEM is just a naming convention, so you can still have a "utility-first" approach or atomic design to your CSS.

Overall, you can think of BEM as:
'.block__element — modifier' (hence the name)

For example:

Based on the above image, I know at a glance:

This is a card component; with .card being the block
Everything with an "__" (underscore) are child elements that are dependent on the main .card class; title, text, btn, etc.
I also know that the second paragraph has a modifier signified by "--" (double dashes); meaning it inheriting styles but also changing them up; ideally you would want your modifiers below the main styles for "specificity" reasons -- this will cause them not to be overwritten.

Now take the above card for example. The HTML is the same, however,

We have a modifier in the main block. This modifier causes it to be green. Notice the modifier style under the main block style...for the same reason aforementioned--specificity.

Naming

As far as BEM classes getting a bit long. This can happen, however, this can be more the developers issue and not exactly on the naming convention itself. Do we have to spell out the word "button" or can you shorten it to "btn"? Does it still get the idea across? Thats up to you and your team.

Again I highly recommend reading up on BEM. It may or maynot be for you. I found it a bit silly at first but forced myself and my team to use it because we had to collaborate with an off-shore team that uses BEM. After a few days, it became the norm. It doesn't take long to understand the concept, just takes more time getting use to double dashes and underscores.

credit:
5 Reasons To Use BEM (a.k.a. why is BEM G.R.E.A.T.)

Vincent Milum Jr • Apr 5 '19

CSS isn't "hard", it is simply "different"

I once made the comparison between traditional programming languages (C/C++, Java, JavaScript, PHP, etc) vs query (SQL)

Programming languages: you start with nothing, then you have to build something out of it.

Query languages: you start with everything (SELECT *) and then need to filter out what you don't want (WHERE clauses)

I think expanded upon this to add CSS.

Style Sheets: A hybrid between both concepts. You can start with nothing, and build up to create something, OR you can start with everything, and filter down to nothing.

Vincent Milum Jr • Apr 5 '19

Also, I think CSS is a HELL of a lot easier to learn if someone simply writes a simple raw flat file with basic HTML and CSS in a single file. See how the two interact with one another, and THEN expand out to external files, preprocessors, variable, media queries, and all that other fun advanced stuff.

Antonin J. (they/them) • Apr 5 '19

I think the problem with CSS is a little different than SQL or JS.

The CSS problem has more to do with how you grow your codebase and how to deal with encapsulation vs. reuse. What's essentially "global" and what's not. And then how global rules effect encapsulated CSS.

For example, most of the work I've done with CSS involved building a top-level framework to encompass majority of styling usecases.

I might build a button. But buttons are tricky. You're inheriting from global styles (for typography), then you might have a .button class base which sets some rules, and then you're dealing with individual buttons and their usecases. There's a mix and match of reuse vs redefine and every class definition inherits from a number of parent classes/elements that are only visible in HTML.

The further down you cascade, the more difficult it is to grow that codebase because any small change in a top-level definition can affect everything.

Here's my example:

body {
  font-size: 16px;
}

.button {
  display: inline-block;
  background-color: #333;
  color: #fff;
  padding: 5px 10px;
}

.button--large {
  padding: 10px 15px;
  font-size: 18px;
}

.button-primary {
  background-color: green;
  color: #000;
}

Now imagine that within a button, you want to display an icon with some special properties:

.button-icon {
  color: #000;
  background-color: #fff;
  font-size: 11px;
}

We're already getting to some weird places here. For example, the button-icon will scale improperly with button--large. If this button is placed in some header, the expected button might look different if the header specificity will override it.

And if you do fix those scaling problems, the second you change something (eg. the button--large definition), you'll face problems down the line having to fix those.

Antonin J. (they/them) • Apr 5 '19

My own approach:

use a preprocessors - even if it is PostCSS for the file imports/css bundling
keep a settings file with colors and possibly typography and sizing
write a general CSS framework to encompass most needs (a basic grid, buttons, etc.) and utilities. Make sure the utilities cannot be repurposed other than what they were built for.
write component-specific CSS. Whether that's CSS-in-JS, BEM, or other approaches. Make sure to keep that CSS coupled only to those components

I've really liked the Tailwind approach to CSS which focuses on many MANY utilities that do exactly as they say. You're kind of writing CSS in HTML; however, a key difference is that Tailwind encourages composing their utilities into full components.

Ciel • Apr 5 '19 • Edited

I wouldn't say it's hard. I also wouldn't necessarily say it's different.

CSS does something that honestly very few other languages or grammars do as their sole role, so it can look obsequious when compared to the rest of the stack.

I would liken CSS to hard in the same way getting out of bed every day is hard. It's not really that difficult but we're all objectively terrible at it because we're exhausted.

I'm finding a lot of success with CSS modules and BEM.

Defiance Black • Apr 6 '19

CSS does something that honestly very few other languages or grammars do as their sole role, so it can look obsequious when compared to the rest of the stack.

I like it for this reason. Its intricacies are deep, CSS animation is crazy.

I would liken CSS to hard in the same way getting out of bed every day is hard.

Yes.

It's been like learning anything else so far, RTFM and practice. You're spot on with this;

the bulk of our tutorials, memories, books, and old websites are just filled with deprecated information.

Some of the best articles I've come across are from 2011-2014.

Antonin J. (they/them) • Apr 6 '19

Some of the best articles I've come across are from 2011-2014.

So true! Namely, css-tricks has always been my go to.

Ciel • Apr 6 '19 • Edited

Well yes. Gems do exist. But we still have new sites telling people to load script tags in the <body> tag instead as well.

Antonin J. (they/them) • Apr 6 '19

I load my script tags in the body tag. What's wrong with that?

Defiance Black • Apr 6 '19

I think the pendulum did a back-and-forth on that one.

I remember reading about how it was an awful thing to do because separation of concerns -- which I think lead to the abuse of classes.

Now I read about how inline CSS is useful to optimise first page load for AMP and other stacks.

Ciel • Apr 7 '19 • Edited

Putting script tags in your body tag means that it'll load based on the DOM and pretty much nothing else. It can quickly lead to race conditions.

If you need to ensure a script doesn't run until the DOM is ready, but aren't using a framework that loads things, you can add the defer property to your script tag in the head section.

There's some other reasons too, but in general it's definitely a code smell to investigate.

I would be happy to elaborate on it but I don't want to sound condescending.

Defiance Black • Apr 7 '19

Would you make a post about it?

DEV needs more CSS.

Ciel • Apr 8 '19

If I'm able to, I'll look into it, sure.

Ciel • Apr 5 '19

I think what's hard about CSS isn't the language, but the archaic box model of 1999's tutorials that kludge the internet up.

The problem with CSS isn't the syntax, performance, or even really it's feature set. The problem is that it took so long for many standards to become universally adopted that the bulk of our tutorials, memories, books, and old websites are just filled with deprecated information.

The ecosystem is slow to change and we end up duct taping things together. Do that for 20 years and you may not realize that the duct tape is unnecessary by now. And you've been teaching others to use the duct tape.

Antonin J. (they/them) • Apr 6 '19

For me, the difficult part has always been the actual cascade and working within that model of inheritance that's hidden in CSS but visible only in HTML. eg. the reason why a button color is green isn't because .button is green but because an element several levels up in HTML sets a color property.

And trying to compose styles within that paradigm. Meaning, trying to share styles, when to share styles, when to override, and how to compose distinct elements within each other.

Ciel • Apr 6 '19

I do think that SCSS or similar should become the standard. There's no reason it shouldn't at this point.

With the way SCSS and other postprocessor syntax is structured, you can visualize the hierarchy better.

I also think people need to be taught about the magical unset value for any property.

Ciel • Apr 6 '19

For sure. I am admittedly being spoiled by Angular's View Encapsulation. I hope that's the future of CSS.

Antonin J. (they/them) • Apr 6 '19

I use Angular's components styles, too! It's actually pretty powerful when coupled with a basic top-level framework for grids and when using SCSS so you can use shared utilities and settings! :)

Defiance Black • Apr 6 '19 • Edited

I think good CSS is hard the way good anything is hard.

If you go hunting for good representations of CSS, you can be surprised by (and learn a lot from) what's out there. Awesome lists on GitHub are a good start. Rachel Andrew (gridbyexample.com) and Chris Coyier (css-tricks.com) have a good decade worth of material around each in-and-out; alistapart.com is also good for shaping your own opinion on a subject -- especially when working alone, since these perspectives won't jump into your head on their own. Brad Frost's Atomic Design (bradfrost.com/blog/post/atomic-web...) has been great for someone who doesn't want to Bootstrap/Foundation/Semantic/Whatever.

After learning (and still relearning) concepts from professionals, the most useful things to me have been reading other people's CSS (digging through html5up.net source code was good for me) and investigating attributes I don't understand on MDN.

Fractal (fractal.build) is a sweet project for creating your own pattern library. There's also webmakerapp.com (a browser extension -- basically a local codepen) which is probably my favourite sandbox for this type of thing.

Personally, I think people got way too caught up abusing classes. I've been making use of data-* tags in HTML to isolate components within the global CSS scope; it's been nice so far --- hard to standardise across an industry, I can imagine, being relatively domain specific, but trying to standardise class usage hasn't gone any better.

Tip: After all this time, there's still no "best way", aside from being sure to leverage Grid/Flexbox within a layout. I'd say the hardest part of CSS is defining said way with future maintenance and flexibility in mind... especially from project to project; over two decades and "how to use it in a clean and scalable way" -- still relevant.

GeovanePiccinin • Jul 19 '23

CSS as a language is simple:

a combination of selectors and properties.
then you select a element and set a property and the results are different of what was expected. It happened because beyond the selection-property process, you have to know how the elements are displayed: block, inline, etc. Which is some knowledge that is underground the coding itself.
then you try to change something, and it still doesn't work or it breaks in another part. Because there is some hierarchy in the styles. It starts becoming confusing.
It reveals that to be proficient in that case, which means, to be able to translate designs into styles you have to have a knowledge of css but also develop a way of "thinkging in css". I have struggled with it. Because css seems to have many ways to do the same thing, each one deppending on some knowledge that is kind of very specific in a particular case. A case that is not present in the learning material, sometimes.
When you read about css, you read about selector and some basic properties. When you try to reproduce some complex interface, you see that to achieve that result, people did some crazy things that go very beyond a simples pair of selectors and properties. I mean, they start improvising ways to make that happen in the base of trying. It makes it seems very difficult, since when it gets to real world apps, there is not a consistent way of thinking how to get that result. For me, it seems always a battle of what I will select and then apply styles until the battle is over.
the last thing is that we usually are in a hurry to see the final state of what we want to build, and when we realize that to build it requires a ton of styling, it looks that it was much more complicated than it should be. Styling is like describing an "image" with these properties and it can get very verbose.

Stephen Belovarich • Apr 6 '19

CSS is rarely taught in a way where someone can really grok it. CSS has been largely deemphasized in curricula for front end web development or introductory courses don’t adequately explain even specificity or box model. It could also be that some engineers lack an appreciation for art and design because throughout school art wasn’t a part of the curricula.

Laurie • Apr 8 '19 • Edited

CSS is complex because the language itself needs to deal with a ton of different clashes and choose what style to listen to. So there are a number of rules and hierarchies at work that aren't always obvious to the developer writing the CSS.

I put together a starter blog on this topic. In addition to the content there check out the links in the post, a lot of them point to great CSS write-ups and resources.

The Layers of CSS

Laurie

#css#webdev#learning#beginners

Cécile Lebleu • Apr 17 '19

Just want to say, I love CSS. I've seen websites where the CSS is all jumbled and mixed up, and others where the CSS is the neatest and very small — today I came across this, where the CSS is around 50K, including 3 color themes for the whole site: fireship.io (also a very good learning resource!!). I aspire to make my CSS that good!

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Learn the Basics first

Learn layout techniques before frameworks

Conquer the Cascade with Specificity

CSS Specificity

Emma Wedekind ✨ ・ Jan 21 ・ 4 min read

Learn to Center All the Things

Next Step Advance Learning

Friends with BEM-efits

Angela Damaso ・ Jan 30 '18 ・ 3 min read

Beginner's guide to SASS

Akanksha Sharma ・ Apr 21 '18 ・ 3 min read

The Layers of CSS

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