Over this past month, I've managed to get a package, with little to no users, to accumulate over one million downloads 🚀.
It didn't cost any money...
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I don't get the logic here
Your argument is based on your exploit, which makes an illogical jump
I can spoof downloads -> Everyone spoofs -> the metric cannot be trusted
Unless you can proof a significant portion of users spoof (like in appstore reviews), then the argument is moot
You don't need a significant portion to spoof for the metric to be useless.
Let's say you need a package, you go look at exxpress. It has 30M downloads, therefore it's probably the popular package you wanted. So you're good to go with
npm install exxpress
right?Sorry if I've made this unclear, there are two main points I'm trying to emphasise. Just in case you missed it 👇
In terms of the exploit side of things, my personal opinion is that data which can be manipulated to this degree shouldn't be given any weight.
Edit: I've updated the conclusion to remove the emphasis on the latter point - hope that clears up any confusion!
I agree... You could argue the same with security:
I can create an exploit in an npm package -> everyone does -> npm is fundamentally unsafe.
That is kind of true, but no one stops using npm for this reason. I guess the same goes for every metric. Who guarantees you that a project github stars dont come from a clickfarm ?
When using a npm package, you're trusting its author, to some extend.
(This is fun to see that npm doesnt even try to protect itself against this, though)
That's not what the post is getting at (to my reading). The equivalent would be, I think:
There happens to be wild fluctuations in the number of exploits accidentally appearing in npm packages due to cosmic rays -> I can demonstrate getting an exploit into an hyperbolic number of npm packages to prove a point -> npm is fundamentally unsafe.
It's talking about how the metric is useless even in telling you how many unique users downloaded a package, or how often something caches it or runs a build job.
AFAIK the popularity metric that npm uses is from npms.io 😅
Do you have a source for this?
Looking at the package on npms.io it has a much lower popularity rating (3% compared to 14% on NPM).
Edit: just to clarify, I also had this assumption but assumed I was misremembering after seeing the difference.
The source I have is that I worked at a competitor when that change happened and was friends with folks at npm at the time. You're correct that there's apparently now deviation, and I'm not sure what that is - if npm continued using the original scoring and npms moved on, if npm moved on, or something else.
Slight correction - in 2017 we switched from a Cloudflare caching to a simple CNAME to the npm registry. So downloads via Yarn are counted just like any download from npm.
Thanks for this! Fixing this now 👍
Edit: Removed mention of yarn in registries section.
same thing happening with my package .
npmjs.com/package/viwerjs-ang
its rapidly increasing downloads but i can't able to belive in that statistics.
Very interesting article!
I would've thought NPM would at least check the IPs 🤷♀