I'm an Angular GDE and I don't understand most of the content of this post. I've seen a lot of very open conversations in the community of GDEs along with the Angular team at Google. GDEs can indeed ask questions to the Angular team and other GDEs. This is happening on a daily basis in Slack, which is where I discovered this article, which has not been censored but is being discussed as a way to improve the community.
I'm not saying that everything is perfect, but I am saying that I have no fear of being an Angular GDE and I don't see any reason to be anything but enthusiastic about being a GDE.
Also, note that GDEs cannot be employed by Google by definition.
Remember that we humans prefer conflict over anything else. A post like "GDE is crap" will get 10x attention that "GDE is nice". For anyone reading comments, don't feel discouraged, your story won't probably be the same as 3 or 4 (or even 10) loud people on Twitter.
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You're just being loud, Lars. Your posts are inflammatory rants all over the place. You've made up your mind, though, and your opinion is popular. Enjoy your likes.
Personally, in my conversations with Lars, I've found him to be open to opposing viewpoints and re-calibrating his opinions when presented with evidence.
"I don't care for your pseudo analysis". I also find him to be open to opposing viewpoints. I hope you both get what you want from all this, whatever that is.
And that is really sad. Getting attention by doing this is a horrible thing to do. But it's also a tactic used by some world leaders nowadays so I can understand that more people are inclined to do so and not even feel bad about it.
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When you and other Angular GDEs say something like
"I have no fear of being an Angular GDE and I don't see any reason to be anything but enthusiastic about being a GDE."
I don't think it's helping the problem. You're alienating the GDEs who are scared because of fears mentioned in the article. Because of nasty messages and warnings about having to be careful about what they say or do. Because of being harassed by their peers or reprimanted by authorative figures.
By dismissing the problem and restating that there's no reason for this, you're making your peers question whether they're the problem themselves. If no one else seems to have this problem since everyone says that this is not happening, surely it must be them who are the problem.
You not having gone through it does not mean that it's a non-issue.
I don't know any GDEs who have such fears because all of them are free to express themselves on the Angular Slack channel or elsewhere.
That's what I see as a GDE from the inside. You're telling me that you have a better view from the outside, that's great but I don't see how your post is helping anything. Starting fires has rarely solved any problem.
I would be happy to reach out to the GDEs who are afraid and learn more about that because it is quite the opposite of my experience and the experience of many others. Please contact me in private if you have more information to share.
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all of them are free to express themselves on the Angular Slack channel or elsewhere.
That's what you're saying. I have accounts of the opposite. More than the examples mentioned in these stories. These are just examples of bigger issues, not one-off issues.
Some people can have legal reason for not speaking about issues like these. Some people may not want to have their issue investigated at this point. Maybe they're just happy to move on after a terrible experience and I don't blame them.
Unfortunately, this changes nothing for the next person joining the Angular team or the Angular GDE program. This is why I'm speaking up on their behalf. To stop this from happening to anyone else.
The first step towards change is realizing and admitting that there's a problem. I see that you're not there yet. I'm trying to convince as many as possible that there are issues both in the Angular team and in the Angular GDE program, in the hope that it can be dealt with.
If you refuse to accept this, I don't know how to make it more clear, but hopefully I can convince someone else who can do something about this by helping to drive the change needed.
I can only accept what I can see and relate to. I have read stuff about the Angular team from former Googlers that I understand and accept because I trust these people. Their posts were truly genuine as they exposed themselves personally.
On the other hand, an outsider to an organization I belong to (the Angular GDEs) telling me that I should see something and that I don't understand, well... I'm questioning their agenda for sure.
I would need more info or proof to change my mind, and I don't see any of that in your post. My email is open if you want to share more.
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While I appreciate the offer, I will instead refer Angular GDEs facing issues like these to Wassim Chegham who has also offered his help.
Wassim has been a GDE for 5 years. I personally know and trust him. He's my best suggestion if you're looking for a safe space to discuss matters like these. Wassim is also an excellent mediator.
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I talked to several other GDEs and none of them understand this article. The GDE community has talked about it openly. If something is completely made up or blown out of proportion, being open-minded means just recognizing that instead of accepting what is presented as facts when that's not the case.
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I'm an Angular GDE and I don't understand most of the content of this post. I've seen a lot of very open conversations in the community of GDEs along with the Angular team at Google. GDEs can indeed ask questions to the Angular team and other GDEs. This is happening on a daily basis in Slack, which is where I discovered this article, which has not been censored but is being discussed as a way to improve the community.
I'm not saying that everything is perfect, but I am saying that I have no fear of being an Angular GDE and I don't see any reason to be anything but enthusiastic about being a GDE.
Also, note that GDEs cannot be employed by Google by definition.
Remember that we humans prefer conflict over anything else. A post like "GDE is crap" will get 10x attention that "GDE is nice". For anyone reading comments, don't feel discouraged, your story won't probably be the same as 3 or 4 (or even 10) loud people on Twitter.
I don't care for your pseudo analysis. You're avoiding the discussion that matters and making up statistics for no apparent reason.
You're just being loud, Lars. Your posts are inflammatory rants all over the place. You've made up your mind, though, and your opinion is popular. Enjoy your likes.
Personally, in my conversations with Lars, I've found him to be open to opposing viewpoints and re-calibrating his opinions when presented with evidence.
"I don't care for your pseudo analysis". I also find him to be open to opposing viewpoints. I hope you both get what you want from all this, whatever that is.
I wouldn't characterize your comment as an "opposing viewpoint".
And that is really sad. Getting attention by doing this is a horrible thing to do. But it's also a tactic used by some world leaders nowadays so I can understand that more people are inclined to do so and not even feel bad about it.
Thank you for your feedback, Alain.
When you and other Angular GDEs say something like
I don't think it's helping the problem. You're alienating the GDEs who are scared because of fears mentioned in the article. Because of nasty messages and warnings about having to be careful about what they say or do. Because of being harassed by their peers or reprimanted by authorative figures.
By dismissing the problem and restating that there's no reason for this, you're making your peers question whether they're the problem themselves. If no one else seems to have this problem since everyone says that this is not happening, surely it must be them who are the problem.
You not having gone through it does not mean that it's a non-issue.
I don't know any GDEs who have such fears because all of them are free to express themselves on the Angular Slack channel or elsewhere.
That's what I see as a GDE from the inside. You're telling me that you have a better view from the outside, that's great but I don't see how your post is helping anything. Starting fires has rarely solved any problem.
I would be happy to reach out to the GDEs who are afraid and learn more about that because it is quite the opposite of my experience and the experience of many others. Please contact me in private if you have more information to share.
That's what you're saying. I have accounts of the opposite. More than the examples mentioned in these stories. These are just examples of bigger issues, not one-off issues.
Some people can have legal reason for not speaking about issues like these. Some people may not want to have their issue investigated at this point. Maybe they're just happy to move on after a terrible experience and I don't blame them.
Unfortunately, this changes nothing for the next person joining the Angular team or the Angular GDE program. This is why I'm speaking up on their behalf. To stop this from happening to anyone else.
The first step towards change is realizing and admitting that there's a problem. I see that you're not there yet. I'm trying to convince as many as possible that there are issues both in the Angular team and in the Angular GDE program, in the hope that it can be dealt with.
If you refuse to accept this, I don't know how to make it more clear, but hopefully I can convince someone else who can do something about this by helping to drive the change needed.
I can only accept what I can see and relate to. I have read stuff about the Angular team from former Googlers that I understand and accept because I trust these people. Their posts were truly genuine as they exposed themselves personally.
On the other hand, an outsider to an organization I belong to (the Angular GDEs) telling me that I should see something and that I don't understand, well... I'm questioning their agenda for sure.
I would need more info or proof to change my mind, and I don't see any of that in your post. My email is open if you want to share more.
I can understand your skepticism.
While I appreciate the offer, I will instead refer Angular GDEs facing issues like these to Wassim Chegham who has also offered his help.
Wassim has been a GDE for 5 years. I personally know and trust him. He's my best suggestion if you're looking for a safe space to discuss matters like these. Wassim is also an excellent mediator.
Read Wassim's tweet with this offer.
You do realize that Wassim seems to be as dumbfounded as I am about your post, right?
I would prefer it for himself to express his opinion to me and he did. His tweet followed a conversation between us.
I talked to him and the result still doesn't explain your claims about the GDE community, far from it.
« I can only accept what i see and relate to » you are such an open-minded person, aren’t you
I talked to several other GDEs and none of them understand this article. The GDE community has talked about it openly. If something is completely made up or blown out of proportion, being open-minded means just recognizing that instead of accepting what is presented as facts when that's not the case.