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Ashley Engelund

You're right -- I haven't read Software Craftmanship yet. But now I will.

But I also think that maybe my definition of "Software Engineering" is more expansive. My view of Software Engineering includes people and their behaviors and wants and needs and humanness as a major part.

Teamwork is a critical part of pretty much every software engineering process. And so if the leader of a team is not a good manager or leader, that negatively impacts that part of the process. If the leader of a development team isn't able to determine what level of code review is appropriate -- if the leader is insisting on line-by-line reviews with very rigid rubrics and that is not appropriate, then that will negatively impact the team and the code developed. That is all part of the software engineering process.

So I totally agree with you that

"it’s extremely important to pay attention to messaging when you’re in a position of authority"

because that is part of software engineering. Everything involved in producing and deploying software -- whether it's writing it new from scratch or working with code that someone else wrote 5 days ago or 5 weeks ago or 5 years or 15 years... -- is part of software engineering to me. It's not just about writing code -- it's much larger than that.

Writing clean code is just one part.
And people are always part of the process. (developers, users, stakeholders, investors, ...)