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Old enough to code, too young for the next step?

Shaquil Maria on April 13, 2021

Photo by Luke Porter on Unsplash disclaimer: this is based on my opinion Over the last couple of years, I've been seeing a lot of you...
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Tim Myers

When I was 10 I had a paper route, when I was 12 I mowed lawns, when I was 13 I got paid to Umpire little league games, when I was 15 I worked at Taco Bell.

Kids can and do earn money. This is just a digital version of that. I grew up dirt poor and I felt a need to help my mom as much as possible by working as soon as possible.

Your connection to mental illness is WAY off base. There is nothing wrong or abnormal about this behavior.

The ONLY concern I would have for minors working is that in some counties minors are unable to enter into contracts. I would be worried about people taking advantage of that fact.

For example, someone could contract a 15 year old to build them an app or website and then they could just not pay them by saying the contract is void.

So any minors should have a parent or guardian at least be aware of what they’re doing and possibly be a co-signer on any contracts to make sure they have legal standing.

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Shaquil Maria

Your connection to mental illness is WAY off base. There is nothing wrong or abnormal about this behavior.

Like I said that's what I am assuming, it might be way off base indeed. But social media is displaying this world of luxury and that everyone can get there easily, if you don't see that, then I think you don't really use the internet. Kids are easily influenced by their surroundings, if all they see is violence, the chance of them becoming violent is great. In the same way, if all they see is people evangelizing making money easy that is what they will pursue. And when they see that it is not that easy they might succumb to the pressure they set themselves and fall into depression for example.

Kids can and do earn money.

My issue is not kids earning money, it is kids focusing too much on earning money rather than enjoying life as kids without a lot of worries.

I would be worried about people taking advantage of that fact.

Totally agree with this part. This is one of my main concerns why kids and teens should not be dealing with that level of work. A simple side job like mowing lawns is less risky than signing a multi-thousand dollars project contract in my humble opinion.

So any minors should have a parent or guardian at least be aware of what they’re doing

I mean, if you are a parent that does not know what it takes to develop an app or website I don't think you are of very much help in signing contracts about that specifically, but indeed they can certainly help in some cases.

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Vincent Milum Jr

"What do you think about this new trend of kids trying to make money from an early age, and worrying about all sorts of problems they cannot solve as youngsters?"

Why can't they solve them? This isn't a new problem. IMO it isn't even a problem at all. I'm in my upper-30s now, but start programming at age 13, and was building circuit boards at age 12.

What did I do in my teens? Because an award winning software developer by coding solutions to problems not yet solved.

Was the code great? OH HELL NO. It was terrible! But I solved some interesting niche problems that netted me some superficial awards at the time.

There is nothing wrong with thinking in a career mindset at a young age, and certainly nothing wrong with making a few bucks while doing it.
If anyone would have told me to not worry about money (which I was making via tech as a teen), or to focus on other things? Then I probably wouldn't be a highly successful tech now over two decades later.

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Shaquil Maria

I'm in my upper-30s now, but start programming at age 13, and was building circuit boards at age 12.

As I said, I encourage learning, and the younger they start the better. The earlier you start, the more you can learn and the more areas you can explore. Shouldn't we be encouraging them to learn and explore (both in tech as in social skills) while they are young so that when they are more mature they can make better decisions and be the best devs they can be?

Then I probably wouldn't be a highly successful tech now over two decades later.

If it worked out for you, then great! What advice do you have for a teen that is trying to start with development and monetize it at the same time?

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Vincent Milum Jr

Its as simple as this....

1) Have fun.

2) Who cares about code. That's not important initially. Instead, focus on unique problems you face, and then build solutions to them. Sometimes those solutions include software, but not always. And then, share your solutions with others.

In the late 90's, early 2000's, we didn't have the multimedia capabilities we do today. We didn't have smart phones. We didn't have much by way of laptops. We have big ass tower workstation desktops. I just so happened to have a high end sound card with an infrared remote, and I wanted it to work with Winamp, the MP3 player of choice back in the day (remember, this predates the existence of YouTube entirely, let alone any music streaming services [okay, yes, we had di.fm, but THAT PLAYED THROUGH WINAMP]) - So, I learned just enough to make that remote work, then made the Winamp plugin and shared it with the world. From there, I was asked to work on more Winamp physical device interaction plugins, which one day ended up being a full suite that started winning various awards and $$$ contracts from hardware vendors.

I never thought much of anything at the time. I was just having fun, playing music, without having to touch my computer. It was THE FUTURE!

And I'm seeing similar innovation come out of teenagers today, too. Some are creating games, other movies, and in some instances, I saw an operating system!

 
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Shaquil Maria

I have no clue how that stuff goes!

Same here! I should probably spend some time researching that.😂

More than anything they should be instructed on how the tax system works and how to be a responsible citizen that contributes to society.

I think that should be added to list of "Simple steps to become a millionaire developer"

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Shaquil Maria

In my experience, young people have generally better things to do than making themselves employed.

They better do🤣🤣

I guess it is just your cognitive bias. Most of teens do not look for jobs so desperately as you may feel.

Indeed, it's like I said. I see the behavior on certain platforms. Offline I don't really see that hustle mentality in my environment. It's just something I am seeing regularly on some social media platforms.

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Shaquil Maria

Making pocket money is alright. But full fledged freelancing at the age of 13?

Sure, making some pocket money with a simple job (after school hours) is not a problem. But freelancing is a whole other ballgame, that is something serious that deals with contracts and responsibilities a kid has no idea of.

If a teen makes thousands of bucks working, the first thing I wonder is: are you paying taxes?

That is a million-dollar question right there 😅. Should they pay taxes like everybody else or because they are underage they are pardoned?

Good advice there, chill out there is no need to rush growing up.

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erica (she/her)

From my experience, working teens do pay taxes! Less than an adult and you typically get a good chunk back at refund time, but I remember that first paycheck that was smaller than I expected.

Freelance work does make it more messy, though. When I was working fast food at 14/15, I just had to have my W4 filled out correctly and my employer deducted taxes. I haven't done freelance so I haven't done those taxes myself, but folks I know that have done it have found themselves annoyed with quarterly payments and whatnot.

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Shaquil Maria • Edited

From my experience, working teens do pay taxes!

Good to know! I mean, they might as well😂

When I was working fast food at 14/15

A lot of my peers did either work as waiters or in fast food restaurants and I think it's just like you said here too.

but folks I know that have done it have found themselves annoyed with quarterly payments and whatnot.

That's what I would expect tbh, they don't really have the know-how plus taxes & contracts are a pain do deal with. (unless their custodians explain that to them or take care of that)

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Edward

I can relate this conversation with Quora Microblogging where youngsters of this era, keep on asking how to get One hundred thousand USD after college or Could I survive in big cities if I get One hundred thousand USD.?

I do wonder how do they think more about financial aspect after school/ college than enjoying their teen-age.

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Shaquil Maria

Could I survive in big cities if I get One hundred thousand USD.?

My answer would be something like: "Can you cook and do the basic chores around the house by yourself?"

I do wonder how do they think more about financial aspect after school/ college than enjoying their teen-age.

I do hope we get an answer to this question. They ask too much about the financial aspect and you never see them asking about anything else (other than how easy X, Y, or Z is to start with).