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Suvendu Karmakar Author • Edited on

Hi Ivan ,

Sorry for lashing out , I edited my above comment with better phrases which do not sound offensive. I am certainly here to learn from everyone in the comment section . It's very hard not to take offense on the phrases you used like (You don't really know what's going on here, hocus pocus , etc). Could have easily been rephrased in a better way. In sounds to be destructive that way.

The title of the blog ("A short guide to understand ZoneJs and to solve a problem.") is subject to interpretations, I myself never just read one blog and implement anything. So it depends how you interpret it.

My code is compiled and deployed at at least 10 clients locations, including some big IT giants like Biocon, and even at organizations like ISRO etc. I don't want you to take it the wrong way, but please read a bit about ZoneJS, it's not much mysterious and cryptic. I can even refer you some good blogs. Because most of the things you say are wrong are just your opinions. Again, I mean no offense.

Also everything we discussing is kinda debatable except broadcasting an array, that can be done in a better way. The only thing I beg to differ is your interceptor approach in the current context. We can connect outside this comment section and discuss that if you like.

Sorry again for using those phrases, i should have handled it better.

Thanks , Cheers ! :)

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Ivan Naitana

Hi Suvendu,

thank you for accepting my goodwill and softening the tones.
As you edited your comment, I also edited my first one to clarify parts that indeed, now that you highlight them, could sound offensive.

I know that there are guides about ZoneJS, and you sure read a lot more than me about it, so you sure have a better picture than me. But those guides are not official, the official documentation is pretty scanty about it.
When I wrote "you don't really know what's going on" I didn't mean you don't know because of your lack of knowledge, I mean you (or me) don't know because there's no way to know (I now edited that part).

Even if people "reverse engineered" it and wrote guides, do they really know exactly when and how the _inner zone gets updated? Why should we fork the _inner one and not the _outer one? Has it always been consistent in all Angular versions? Why aren't we using the forkInnerZoneWithAngularBehavior() method instead? What does AngularBehavior even mean?

Of course I do copy code on an almost daily basis, but if I copy something from an unofficial source, something which is undocumented but only explained by the author to the best of his knowledge, I admit it indeed is hocus pocus. With which I mean something that just works that way because it does, and it's not guaranteed to work perfectly and forever to my needs. And if I wanted to change something about it I wouldn't know where exactly to look other than unofficial guides by people who write to the best of their knowledge.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen to me, but it's not a good practice, so if there's a documented and more conventional alternative I prefer it.

Also, given the rate that Angular introduces breaking changes in documented features, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they introduced them in an undocumented one (which as far as they know is only used in Angular itself). And of course the breaking changes would be undocumented themselves.

I believe you when you say you do use that code in production, but it honestly sounds weird that it doesn't throw compiling exceptions when accessing private properties, at least with Ivy.
Maybe I will try it out of curiosity when I get back to work (now I am on holiday, though it doesn't look like so;)).

Thank you again for helping me not escalating the argument, and keep on with your blogging. As I already wrote I like your style, it sure doesn't look like someone's first post in any negative way!

If you ask me why I don't write my own blog instead than criticizing your code, the answer is that I would do a terrible job, so it's better to leave it to you.
Maybe with more constructive and well worded comments from people:)

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Suvendu Karmakar Author

Hey Ivan ,

Thanks for taking high grounds man ! Let's do our bits to develop the community. Me with my poorly chosen codes XD and you with your constructive comments. :D
I will surely come up with a better / well researched blog on ZoneJS in future and definitely tag you there.
Again, thanks for all the compliments about my writing, I really appreciate it.

Cheers :)