I don't agree. I learnt programming with an IDE (Visual Studio - C++). Despite its awesome IntelliSense, it didn't make me "stupid". I was actually able to form a program on paper as well. I only learned the intricate details about compilers and linkers later. And until I moved on from C++ three years later, I was never able to get a GCC installation working.🤣👏
I learnt Java working with an IDE too, and I knew my stuff. The only stack I learnt outside an IDE was PHP. I used Notepad++ and it frustrated me, till I discovered PhpStorm.
I personally feel the opposite: beginners should learn with IDEs because it hides complexity, allowing them to focus on learning the language and building stuff. With time, they can dive deeper.
(Another parallel: when I was new to PHP/web dev, I always used LAMP/XAMPP. As I got to understand more about the language and operating systems, I started to install and configure each component separately. But I'm glad I started out with XAMPP.)
The analogy used in this post is that you should learn to walk before you can run. I don't think that fits with "don't start with an IDE". The analogy that I would use is that this is suggesting you should start to learn to climb by free-climbing actual mountains instead of going to a climbing gym and learning on a wall with ropes.
Agreed! After programmers become experts they forget what it's like to learn when they were newbies. Milk first. Using and editor without good autocompletion and code hints when you're a beginner prevents newbies from learning to think like a programmer to use code to solve problems. With practice, those code-hints and autocompletion reinforce and become automatic, and soon every programmer discovers the power of knowing those commands by heart. So they do. Those who don't probably just don't use that language enough.
I think the real downside of intuitive coding helps is that it allows newbies to do things they probably shouldn't, resulting in bad code and tech debt, but that's another issue that should be resolved by better systems like unit test, to evaluate and qualify code and coders.
And the complaint that people don't know their way around git because of IDE's is a completely different issue. Git is not programming. It's housekeeping ... important, essential, but don't blame the IDE.
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I don't agree. I learnt programming with an IDE (Visual Studio - C++). Despite its awesome IntelliSense, it didn't make me "stupid". I was actually able to form a program on paper as well. I only learned the intricate details about compilers and linkers later. And until I moved on from C++ three years later, I was never able to get a GCC installation working.🤣👏
I learnt Java working with an IDE too, and I knew my stuff. The only stack I learnt outside an IDE was PHP. I used Notepad++ and it frustrated me, till I discovered PhpStorm.
I personally feel the opposite: beginners should learn with IDEs because it hides complexity, allowing them to focus on learning the language and building stuff. With time, they can dive deeper.
(Another parallel: when I was new to PHP/web dev, I always used LAMP/XAMPP. As I got to understand more about the language and operating systems, I started to install and configure each component separately. But I'm glad I started out with XAMPP.)
I agree (with you).
The analogy used in this post is that you should learn to walk before you can run. I don't think that fits with "don't start with an IDE". The analogy that I would use is that this is suggesting you should start to learn to climb by free-climbing actual mountains instead of going to a climbing gym and learning on a wall with ropes.
Agreed! After programmers become experts they forget what it's like to learn when they were newbies. Milk first. Using and editor without good autocompletion and code hints when you're a beginner prevents newbies from learning to think like a programmer to use code to solve problems. With practice, those code-hints and autocompletion reinforce and become automatic, and soon every programmer discovers the power of knowing those commands by heart. So they do. Those who don't probably just don't use that language enough.
I think the real downside of intuitive coding helps is that it allows newbies to do things they probably shouldn't, resulting in bad code and tech debt, but that's another issue that should be resolved by better systems like unit test, to evaluate and qualify code and coders.
And the complaint that people don't know their way around git because of IDE's is a completely different issue. Git is not programming. It's housekeeping ... important, essential, but don't blame the IDE.