It's true. But I can't really afford to be pessimistic about it. Otherwise nothing changes or evolves. When I created Solid I wasn't being concerned with that, I just made something that made sense for me with no expectations. And if you go back to the early 2010s there wasn't a single predominate declarative library. It's only been in the past 7 or so years that things consolidated the way they have. Part of it to avoid "JavaScript Fatigue" etc.. And also to provide stability and maturity to the job market. But there was a time not too long ago when you were like, I'm going to build our application in Ember, or Knockout and no one would blink an eye.
Now if you try to suggest not React, your team might accuse you of trying to sabotage their career and be severely jeopardizing their future FAANG hire-ability. Anyone with industry experience it seems almost comical to think that experience wouldn't translate, but then you recognize the real tragedy is they aren't wrong. React supersedes web fundamentals especially in junior to intermediate levels.
So I don't know. This has been my message because it's not that I dislike React. I just think the current state of "ecosystem maturity" is stifling to innovation. It isn't enough that a single other solution checks all the boxes. No we need to surround this ecosystem with many solutions otherwise should it ever be dethroned we just repeat ourselves.
To bring a somewhat different perspective to this, my concern isn't sabotaging anyone's career progression, but sabotaging my tiny, bootstrapped company's ability to hire within our budget. (Well, in a sense, I'm concerned about my own career, in that I want to be able to get some tasks off my plate.) So, as much as a focus on web fundamentals resonates with me, and I've been watching Solid and (especially) Marko with interest, I may still use React for future projects.
Don't get me wrong I completely agree and I was that person using Knockout and Backbone before all this craziness.
I've met younger developers in their 20s and 30s completely enthralled in React and everything hippie this time around. Same people who are unfortunately completely oblivious how to use HTML or CSS. Moreover, even when it comes to JS they are also completely unready to implement the simplest of algorithms, but instead try to use some obscure library.
But it is also unfortunately true that the market insists on asking for React even if not the fastest or with the best DX. Personally, I have been asked questions about how React operates internally, plus why its the fastest.
I worry if the trend will change and I am all in having all the other options as well e.g. solid, svelte, marko, in case most developers realize where we are heading to, which is a React-ified world, which still lacks commonality, since no two React projects are the same.
Things have been coming together. We have basically a big bingo card as we are filling in features right now. We just got end to end hydration tentatively working the last day or so (made our Hackernews Demo). There are still quite a few missing features on the more complex side, including automatic async handling (ie.. what enables streaming) so there is still quite a bit of work. I think when you consider documentation, migration plans, integrations there are lot more moving parts that need to be tackled beyond just implementing this. But since the new year we've been able to focus on this more and have been making good progress.
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It's true. But I can't really afford to be pessimistic about it. Otherwise nothing changes or evolves. When I created Solid I wasn't being concerned with that, I just made something that made sense for me with no expectations. And if you go back to the early 2010s there wasn't a single predominate declarative library. It's only been in the past 7 or so years that things consolidated the way they have. Part of it to avoid "JavaScript Fatigue" etc.. And also to provide stability and maturity to the job market. But there was a time not too long ago when you were like, I'm going to build our application in Ember, or Knockout and no one would blink an eye.
Now if you try to suggest not React, your team might accuse you of trying to sabotage their career and be severely jeopardizing their future FAANG hire-ability. Anyone with industry experience it seems almost comical to think that experience wouldn't translate, but then you recognize the real tragedy is they aren't wrong. React supersedes web fundamentals especially in junior to intermediate levels.
So I don't know. This has been my message because it's not that I dislike React. I just think the current state of "ecosystem maturity" is stifling to innovation. It isn't enough that a single other solution checks all the boxes. No we need to surround this ecosystem with many solutions otherwise should it ever be dethroned we just repeat ourselves.
To bring a somewhat different perspective to this, my concern isn't sabotaging anyone's career progression, but sabotaging my tiny, bootstrapped company's ability to hire within our budget. (Well, in a sense, I'm concerned about my own career, in that I want to be able to get some tasks off my plate.) So, as much as a focus on web fundamentals resonates with me, and I've been watching Solid and (especially) Marko with interest, I may still use React for future projects.
Don't get me wrong I completely agree and I was that person using Knockout and Backbone before all this craziness.
I've met younger developers in their 20s and 30s completely enthralled in React and everything hippie this time around. Same people who are unfortunately completely oblivious how to use HTML or CSS. Moreover, even when it comes to JS they are also completely unready to implement the simplest of algorithms, but instead try to use some obscure library.
But it is also unfortunately true that the market insists on asking for React even if not the fastest or with the best DX. Personally, I have been asked questions about how React operates internally, plus why its the fastest.
I worry if the trend will change and I am all in having all the other options as well e.g. solid, svelte, marko, in case most developers realize where we are heading to, which is a React-ified world, which still lacks commonality, since no two React projects are the same.
@ryansolid by the way, when is Marko hitting v6 :-)???
Things have been coming together. We have basically a big bingo card as we are filling in features right now. We just got end to end hydration tentatively working the last day or so (made our Hackernews Demo). There are still quite a few missing features on the more complex side, including automatic async handling (ie.. what enables streaming) so there is still quite a bit of work. I think when you consider documentation, migration plans, integrations there are lot more moving parts that need to be tackled beyond just implementing this. But since the new year we've been able to focus on this more and have been making good progress.