Yeah Marko never knew how to present itself. Even to this date it has been strangely difficult to explain the use case from a technical stance. And I agree that has largely been due to focusing on it from a technology standpoint, something that probably didn't matter with the suitable audience. I think you are right about the argument/tagline. It also suggests that any head to head should be with things like Next, rather than focusing on core technology of say React.
I think a lot of people never really heard of Svelte until Svelte 3. I suppose if you were there from the start it might have seemed different. But around release time the message was simple: VDOM is pure overhead, Disappearing Framework, the Candyman of JavaScript framework benchmarks. Rich's amazing communication skills present in his talks and videos definitely shone through but that was the narrative. He's given some of my favorite all time talks.
And all directly from his mouth. That is why I consider it marketing because it was deliberate and successful. And all those messages have since disappeared into the ether in an official sense. Svelte has many merits as you outlined. And I agree about origins. It's really obvious Svelte was designed with small apps/demos in mind. Just it isn't hard to find people who will tell you to this day that VDOM is pure overhead, or that Svelte compiles away the framework with no runtime. But the message is much better now.
Still I spend more time correcting Svelte myths than even React. I probably should thank Rich for that too since he successfully cracked through React's myths. From what I've seen you don't get to dispute the mythos only replace it. And that is incredibly hard. It goes beyond "believers" to enter the overall consciousness. And that is where Svelte has succeeded in a way hard to believe in this relatively jaded post-javascript fatigue time.
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Yeah Marko never knew how to present itself. Even to this date it has been strangely difficult to explain the use case from a technical stance. And I agree that has largely been due to focusing on it from a technology standpoint, something that probably didn't matter with the suitable audience. I think you are right about the argument/tagline. It also suggests that any head to head should be with things like Next, rather than focusing on core technology of say React.
I think a lot of people never really heard of Svelte until Svelte 3. I suppose if you were there from the start it might have seemed different. But around release time the message was simple: VDOM is pure overhead, Disappearing Framework, the Candyman of JavaScript framework benchmarks. Rich's amazing communication skills present in his talks and videos definitely shone through but that was the narrative. He's given some of my favorite all time talks.
And all directly from his mouth. That is why I consider it marketing because it was deliberate and successful. And all those messages have since disappeared into the ether in an official sense. Svelte has many merits as you outlined. And I agree about origins. It's really obvious Svelte was designed with small apps/demos in mind. Just it isn't hard to find people who will tell you to this day that VDOM is pure overhead, or that Svelte compiles away the framework with no runtime. But the message is much better now.
Still I spend more time correcting Svelte myths than even React. I probably should thank Rich for that too since he successfully cracked through React's myths. From what I've seen you don't get to dispute the mythos only replace it. And that is incredibly hard. It goes beyond "believers" to enter the overall consciousness. And that is where Svelte has succeeded in a way hard to believe in this relatively jaded post-javascript fatigue time.