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Let's Talk Windows vs macOS

Andrew Davis on December 27, 2019

When I started writing websites professionally, my work computer ran Windows so I had to learn to set up PHP and Laravel using IIS (an unpleasant e...
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I've moved all of my personal hobby software development to a digital ocean droplet. I combine it with Mosh and Ngrok which allows me to use just about anything to write code anywhere there is an internet connection.

For design stuff, I just use Figma.

But if I had to bootstrap things on a local machine, I'd prefer Mac, Windows second, and Ubuntu last.

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pradeepprakash

Hi, I bumped into your post during a search on how to make mosh + ngrok work. I see that you have done it.
Could you please help with the steps? ngrok doesn't support UDP right? So how is mosh able to communicate?

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Ngrok simply exposes your local machines ports via ngrok's servers. Mosh doesn't impact how that works in any way.

Mosh is better compared to SSH.

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pradeepprakash

Yes, I use mosh all the time. But had never used it with ngrok. I noticed that ngrok(free account) is not treating UDP at all , which mosh uses after the initial ssh on 22. And hence mosh client never sees a connection post that. The same works when I use a dynamic dns to reach my box from external world.

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So long as the port you're using is accessible to ngrok, what Mosh sends back and forth doesn't matter.

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Andrew Davis Author

That’s an interesting approach. How do you write code on the server? Using a cloud editor?

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VS Code has a remote development plugin that lets you bootstrap to docker containers, WSL distros, or a VPS via SSH. Its pretty slick honestly.

There are several Code Editors on iPadOS which integrate SSH. I’m still working out kinks for a decent workflow there. I’m also trying to learn some basic Vim and then using something like SpaceVim or some other IDE-ish Vim setup.

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Chad Alen • Edited

I switched from Windows to Linux to Mac. I still use Linux for servers but I use Mac for development. My biggest pet peeve about Mac is clicking the "x" doesn't kill the application like it does on Windows or Linux. That is really frustrating for me.

I like the look and build quality of a MacBook. The only thing comparable I could find for Linux was the Dell XPS 13/15 but I'm not a big fan of Dell.

The only reason I used Windows at the time was for gaming. Also I want to have a similar environment I use for servers e.g Mac is UNIX so is Linux. Windows servers are generally expensive whereas I can run a Linux server for fraction of the cost.

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rgaiken

Some apps (e.g. iTerm2, iirc) have a setting to kill the app when you close the last window. Helps make osx a bit more tolerable

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Chad Alen

Yeah I'm surprised Mac doesn't have a setting to change that. I don't use ITerm2, all the programs I use don't exit when its the last window. If I could develop ios apps on Linux I would just use Linux.

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TheOnlyBeardedBeast • Edited

I am the windows guy, and I have Ubuntu WSL inside my windows. I keep my windows clean from dev tools, the only dev tools I have directly on my windows machine are VS Code, VS 2019 (and all the sdks for .net development), everything else (git,node,package managers...) are inside the ubuntu WSL, then I use remote VS code with my Ubuntu WSL. For design files I use Invision studio. In work I am using mac (for frontend development), but I hate the design of the OS, and the navigation inside, it is really painful, I miss the snapping window management which is basic on windows, actually when I installed windows on my home mac mini it was much faster than the original OS, and that is strange. If I have to compare windows updates with mac updates, my windows machine with an ssd installs all the updates faster but they are more frequent then the mac updates.

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Fabian Forsström

I use this setup too. WSL remote from windows installed vscode and all development tools installed in WSL distro. I run Wlinux though and find that removing all custom features installed features that distro gives you from the start will make the terminal super quick. Use windows terminal preview. Works great for a web dev setup. 💪 WSL works 98% of the time for my work. Though sometimes it bugs out and i just clean the distro and start over. Work of a Surface Book 2 15"

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Jim Priest

I would try Linux again. I've used Linux at home for years and always find it frustrating when I have to use Windows or Mac at work.

Mac is great but expensive.

Windows is cheap and usually horrible but getting better recently with things like WSL and VSCode. WSL is still pretty horrible (LOL) but I'm hoping they fix most of the issues with WSL2.

And using things like Docker are making things even more portable and the platform less important.

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Muttsuri

I've found Listary and as a Alfred like app, I have the beta version doenst require any payment and it has been stable for me.

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Andrew Davis Author

Nice! I will check that out.

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Rohan Mishra

I still have to use Windows regularly for college and stuff but my daily driver has been Linux for years now. Can't use Windows as daily driver at this point even though Microsoft has made good strides in usability. MacOS is good and I wouldn't mind using it but I don't have any Mac device and hackintosh is too much work.

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Francisco Paul Sotelo Rocha • Edited

I'm using MacOS since 3 months ago, and I'm not going back to windows, idk, I'm comfortable with this, and I like the terminal, i could use a PC again, but just for linux, in order to learn cyber security or something like that

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Gayan Hewa

Windows is gaining momentum. I haven't used a windows machine for ages. 10 years ago I would have tried to shot my self even before considering it. After being on a mac for the past 5 years and having to use Linux on an off for servers and all. I didn't have a reason to use Windows apart from IE testing or bugs :( but with the leadership change Microsoft had and the investments made towards vscode, WSL and recent developer preview with WSL2's Linux kernel things seem to go on the right direction. If things progress in this direction Surface laptops would challenge MBP as a goto Developer machine in the next couple of years.

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DramaticBean🇵🇹

I use mainly Linux (POP_OS) on my laptop to personal projects and school work. Only use Windows if I have any school course requiring it, like a course where I needed to use Unity to create games

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Andrew Davis Author

What advantages does Pop offer over regular Ubuntu?

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DramaticBean🇵🇹

The main reason I stayed with POP_OS was because when I had Ubuntu my browsers were working very slowly, even after I installed the OS. When I first tried POP I didn't have those problems. Besides that (and if my memory is correct POP also helps with the drives) Pop is Ubuntu with a new template

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Matthew Guillot

I've found SQLYog in Windows to be very easy to use, and it pretty much does everything I need it to do when I am not on a Mac with Sequel Pro.

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Andrew Davis Author

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

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Alex Li Sin Cin

If you start using docker ( huge thing for web dev) windows will stop been an option.
Until they do WSL right.

Linux bring to the table whole utilities (bash, ssh, telnet, nc ....) pack.
I believe WSL, allow you to use this too. But additional actions required.

So question of choosing OS is question of habits, right?

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Andrew McClenaghan

I have found Jetbrains Datagrip to be a great cross platform rdbms ui. It's paid but I think it's worth paying for good tools.

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Christopher McClellan

If you’re on Windows but missing your package manager, I highly recommend Chocolatey. chocolatey.org/

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rubdottocom

Another switcher from Mac to Windows, in love with convertibles (tabletops)

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Victor Osório

Windows sucks!
Long Live to Linux!

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Jens Eckervogt

Correct I use Ubuntu 18.04 too