Over the course of my career in software development I've read thousands of job adverts and talked to hundreds of recruiters. I've learned one th...
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Hey Fred,
Thank you for such an awesome and precise post. Being on the field for 15 years professionally now, I can relate 110%!
Not saying all recruiters are bad. There are some good ones, but they are really hard to find.
Here are other things I can think of right now:
Reworking our legacy system into modern technologies. Meaning: We need suckers to maintain the old legacy system. Tenure people got dibs.
Buzzword1, Buzzword2, Buzzword3. Meaning: clickbait buzzword. Gotcha!
Fuzzball, kegs, ping pong tables, etc. Meaning: Long hours are expected.
Unlimited PTO. Meaning: You need manager approval. Shame on you for taking too much PTO. Also may mean: We gonna work your ass off, I mean you are getting unlimited PTO!
Full stack! Meaning: We'll throw at whatever the hell we feel like it. Don't want to do back-end? Tough! Don't care about front-end? Fix this layout in the website. Never seen a database? Learn it, aren't you full stack?
I feel like I'm the only one who has had success with recruiters... The best ones think like good salespeople and work with the goal of placing you multiple times rather than just to make a single good commission.
Easiest way to tell the difference is by paying attention to what they focus on, if they keep telling you about the great opportunity they have then run away fast, the good ones will take some time to get to know you and your career goals and only then try to place you somewhere that makes sense. The really great ones will also be super up-front about downsides of working at a company and then let you decide if they are worth it (something like "the pay is awesome, you get to work with modern tech, but they are going to expect 70 hour weeks and you'll never not be on call, does that sound like something you can work with?").
In fairness, I've worked with a couple of recruiters like that, but -in my experience- they are the exception rather than the rule.
Yea you absolutely have to be careful and selective with them. Have definitely gotten burned in the past by not vetting the recruiter before taking the position.
Yah, whenever they pressure you such as: "Need to know today or end of day".
Pressure from them is for the sale, not for your benefit. At least, that's been my experience so far.
99% of the time this is true, once in a while they are legitimately letting you know that the company is in a hurry and will be making someone else an offer if you wait. Knowing the difference comes back to trust.
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Ugh, my CTO is now expecting me to take on web design tasks "because aren't you full-stack?"
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Thanks Jose! How could I forget about 'full-stack' developer ?! With your permission, I'll add it to the list.
Sure thing! 🙂
Contractor life. Sigh.
This entire post had me howling, though. omfg. 😂😂😂😂😂
"We don't know anything about
[technology], but have been trying to use for some time without success. Come train our managers while letting them think they're in charge.""You will work in a challenging environment": "We don't know what we are doing, fix our code spaghetti"
A startup: a single room office.
Totally true.
In my experience, "You'll occasionally need to address issues raised on the legacy system" really means "We have a massive amount of poorly designed and written code in VB6 and the original developer hasn't worked here in 10 years." It could also mean code written in other obscure or obsolete languages like Powerbuilder, SQL Windows, COBOL, etc.
Indeed. I know of a Powerbuilder shop that used to refer to fixing powerbuilder bugs as "working on the legacy system" :)
Brilliant! LOL
Ah ah it's so funny! And sadly true :D
Some of the many reasons I loath working with recruiters.
They're using Java EE or offering support to SAP products that a company worked on years ago without any documentation and duck taped code because they were missing the deadline.