Recently I decided that I wanted to switch from Windows 10 to a Linux distro as my primary operating system. Mainly because I've always found that ...
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While Arch is a pain to install, it's worth noting that it's a very rewarding experience and the wiki documentation and community support is generally pretty good. You can also find most packages in aur collection
Well, for someone new to Linux I would definitely recommend Antergos or Manjaro instead of Arch.
I have been using the GNU system with Linux for some years now, and for roughly a year I've been an Antergos user.
Prior to that, I had tried Manjaro, and prior to that, Linux Mint.
I switched to Linux Mint from Ubuntu, because I loved Cinnamon. I switched to Manjaro from Linux Mint, because I love the rolling release model (although Manjaro can't fully use that term).
I switched from Mint because I had full disk encryption, and a bug in the OS lost where my decryption key was located on the filesystem, ergo my system could never boot into my environment, and I lost everything. Needless to say, that's a pretty bad bug.
I switched to Manjaro w/ Cinnamon (Community Edition) because of rolling release. Back when '17, the Cinnamon CE gave me headaches from bugs... I couldn't stand it. So I decided to try Antergos, which is Arch w/ some preinstalled software PLUS with a GUI installer.
Antergos is very slick, and very flexible & powerful. I get all the benefits of Arch without any of the headache. Plus, I get a more true rolling release model than Manjaro. Also, the sponsors for Antergos are phenomenal (eg. JetBrains).
I highly recommend anyone, both beginner and experienced, to try Antergos. It uses the
pacmantool which is very different fromapt, BUT you get access to the Arch User Repository (AUR), which, for me, is the biggest benefit of the Arch family.If anyone has any questions about Antergos, or how to use
pacman, etc., feel free to contact me. :)I tried Manjaro. I was constantly fixing the system, because of issues with packages. Was not fun. After that, I decided to opt-out for Manjaro and the like. That was years ago.
Three days back, I fixed a Manjaro of a friend. That took me half an hour to get the package management back to working.
You get the newest packages. You pay it with an unstable base. It is constantly destructing itself. I can't recommend Arch and the like for anyone.
Not all rolling release distros are unstable. Solus OS, a fairly new rolling release Linux distro not based on anything, is quite stable.
That pain to install and initial config of wi-fi and touchpad etc. was entertaining. I've devoted some time to tinker around and all is good, but then I just want to plug in a flash drive or use network printer... gah!
Random reminder: If you want more freedom, BSD or illumos might also be considered. Often overlooked, they come with a longer tradition (BSD has been there since the late 70s, illumos was born as SunOS in the early 80s) and a loyal fanbase without the init system war.
If you absolutely want to use Linux anyway, keep in mind that most distributions are interchangeable. They only have different default desktops and slightly different installers but you can mostly do anything with all of them alike.
The SunOS that Illumos was born from was SunOS 5/Solaris — originally a SysV-derived OS. The 80s SunOS that was derived from BSD was SunOS 4.
Illumos was one of the projects I played with late in the part of my career where I was Solaris engineer for a a global ISP. A number of us looked at Illumos and Nexenta because Oracle kept throwing the viability of OpenSolaris in doubt ...before eventually killing it altogether. Both were options where we could have Solaris-y systems at home, keeping our work-related skills up, without having to pay to run Solaris.
Mostly because all of the people that slit their wrists over Solaris's
SMFleft the field. And, let me tell you, when Solaris 10 (SunOS 5.10) came out, the hue and cry aboutSMFwas similar to that aroundsystemd. ;)Thank you for the correction. Put it in relation, even today's "BSD" began its life as the Net/2 release, over a decade later...
I came to Solaris too late, in 2017. Still trying to understand some of its deeper semantics. What I can tell is that it is incredibly well-thought. No surprise given the mind power that gave it its life...
SMF does not seem to break my boot process though. ;-)
Sounds like you missed the joy of the post-Berkeley FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD days. In the waning years of my time at college, those BSDs and Linux were all beta-level offerings. Post college and jonesing for my own UNIX-y system to run at home, I tried all of them. Eventually settled on Linux (with forays into IRIX and Solaris in the mid-90s and then Solaris, AIX and HPUX in the mid-2000s). These days, mostly RHEL/CentOS ...because it's what pays the bills. =)
When SMF first came out, it had a lot of teething pains similar to systemd's. Then again, so did a number of technologies in Solaris 10 (and OpenSolaris). ZFS, LDOMs and Zones all had their joys. Being a tinkerer, I ended up finding a lot of "edge cases" (as their Support group liked to call them). Fortunately, the most frequent "edge cases" happened at home. That said, during my (third-part vendor-partner) consulting days, I had to help one large financial institution that got bit pretty bad by a scheduler problem on a SF25000 attached to a large EMC array presenting a few thousand LUNs.
At any rate, haven't really touched Solaris since I sat for my Solaris 11 SA test. Sun had offered me it, at the time, as a beta test-taker as part of their efforts to get people to adopt Solaris 11. Other than helping customers move from Solaris to RHEL/CentOS, haven't really had to deal with Solaris since 2008.
Very much agreed, I did look into BSD or Illumos but didn't end up taking a liking to either (I'm incredibly picky). I've always loved Linux and used most of the ones above, but finally setting with one was a tough challenge. Don't necessarily need complete freedom I just tend to mess around with things quite a bit when I feel like doing so. Even though they're older Kernels they are great to use if you want to do so.
Plus I found the Mint look really pretty.
Mint is lovely, GFX-wise. I heard that their theme was ported to other distributions though.
I heard the same thing, I believe it's not all from one other distro. But the end layout of it is very nice.
I love BSDs, actually started programming on it with fluxbox as minimalistic desktop manager but now when considering a new OS I have to rule them out because the lack of docker support.
By any chance, do you know if anything has changed (or planned) on this matter ?
The BSDs had some kind of containers long before containers had this name. You can usually mirror most of what Docker does without using any extra software on them.
I accept that some people desperately "need" Docker for reasons. Generally, Docker exists on FreeBSD (experimentally) and OpenBSD (when run inside a Linux VM) and most (?) of their particular "distributions"/forks. I have not tested that.
Yes I'm familiar with jails and chroot. I find them way better at what they do but this is another topic. Unfortunately it had to be Docker because of external "reasons" that are not giving me much choice :)
PC-BSD was very interesting. But everytime I tried it, it didn't boot to the gui. Because of that I sticked with Linux.
I'd recommend checking out Solus, works pretty well, does some innovative stuff,easy to use and install. They also support snaps so even if no package available, you can install. Though that seems less of an issue these days. If you kind of like arch but want something interesting that makes it easier to replicate your install, check out nixos. It has a learning curve, but it installs everything based on a config file or two, which is kind of what arch used to do years ago.
Yes, you should have a look at Solus.
I installed on my computer a few months ago and reallt loved it.
But at the end I came back to Ubuntu Budgie, which has the best of both world.
The Budgie (Solus) desktop on an Ubuntu distribution. So you can install everything that works on Ubuntu.
I run Ubuntu exclusively. At work I work on RHEL servers. I tried Fedora at home and was plagued by a login loop. Honestly if you want a Linux OS that just works, and has a huge repository of packages for just about anything, consider Ubuntu or Debian. Currently there really isn't anything I need that I don't have (Atom, Eclipse, python/python3, perl/perl6, rust, FileZilla, PgAdmin3, Dropbox client, Skype, LibreOffice, Chrome, Firefox). I am probably missing something. Another thing I will add is on older hardware Ubuntu installs without issue. My laptop is an old Levovo Thinkpad T series and I have had no installation or performance issues running 18.04.1 LTS.
Also Ubuntu now does not use Unity anymore, now the desktop is Gnome.
What about OpenSuSE ? Both (Tumbleweed and Leap) are good options for those who want to migrate!
OpenSuSE both Tumbleweed and Leap are excellent, I didn't necessarily explore them as much as the others as i haven't had too much experience with them, the ones in the tables are distros that I have the most experience in.
OpenSuSE was a mess. It was the Windows of the Linux distros. Thousand little tools to configure the system. And the gui and the text version of YAST where constantly fighting. That plus the horrible slow rpm package manager threw me away. What I HAVE to thank them for, is the OpenSuse Build Service! That's a VERY good invention of them!
I would recommend Elementary. A new player on the scene with a warming desktop environment and huge community support. If you are interested you can help fund the development effort on their Patreon page
Seen it mentioned a few times around the thread, going to have a little play with it.
The development is really slow. And on low end systems, with a crappy graphic card it's not smooth.
I had issues with Mint.
It was super slow on a very potent hardware.
Switched to ElementaryOS, which could handle it much better.
Haven't had any issues with Mint being slow yet, was there something specific you found that was slow? Or just in general?
Nothing specific.
At first it was fine, and then started to slow down very fast, and then froze after an hour of use or so.
We restarted a couple of times, sometimes it loaded fast, sometimes really slow.
We wiped the drive clean, re-installed it, had the same issue.
Then again, and got the same issue.
Tried to look for log files for an explanation, but nothing special came up.
This is where we gave up and installed ElementaryOS.
We believed it may have been something like incompatibility with the hardware, because we had installed it to a Macbook Pro, and Mint worked totally fine on our PC at home.
That sounds really weird, could be an issue with mac compatibility yea. Out of curiosity which version of Mint did you use?
Version 19 (Tara, Cinnamon 64 bit)
Running the same version, weird. I'll look out for the issue. Haven't seen anything reported on it.
It would be interesting to know, and it may help others who run into the same problem.
I'll make an update on the post if i come into any issues, thanks for your input!
Thank you for looking into this
*Ubuntu uses Gnome
True. From 17.10 onwards. The older supported ones still use Unity.
Might want to update your table a bit:
In general, "expertise" for a given distro depends heavily on what you're trying to use the OS for. If you're supporting an Enterprise application or a workload that isn't well-aligned to a given distro's design-philosophy, the expertise-required goes way up (e.g., if you're trying to maintain a bleeding-edge development environment, RHEL/CentOS can be paaaaaaainful when trying to to keep your language packages — and the like — something resembling "current"). If you're just using a given distro as a casual-use system, the expertise required generally trends markedly downward.
Another thing that ought to be a point of consideration for a distro-choice is, "how much of what I learn about this distro can improve my employment options and potential salary". =)
All Linux distributions are terrible for their own unique reasons, but they are generally slightly less terrible than Windows and Mac/OS XYZ. I tried Ubuntu first and hated unity. Tried Arch, but was disappointed with the very incomplete installation documentation and eventually gave up. I tried other distributions of Arch, but gave up on them when I found out the Arch community will not help you if you are not using actual Arch. Used Mint for a while, but eventually got really frustrated with how badly Ubuntu maintains the official repos, all the software is super old. Used Solus for a while, but then went back to Unity Ubuntu in order to have a development environment as similar as possible to the production server I write code for. I don't hate unity quite as much as I used to and I am less bothered by having to use PPAs for everything. I was able to make many needed tweeks to my Unity configuration to make it actually pretty decent. My biggest complaints now applying to all distributions I have tried is Android Studio is only not buggy in Windows, multiple desktops don't actually keep running apps separate enough between them, and no I don't want to us a crazy windows manager like awesome or Xmonad to fix that.
Arch's installation process is painful, but there are a lot of installers that can be used to install a working Arch setup, such as Arch-Anywhere (now Anarchy Linux) or Antergos. Both use Arch's repo, unlike Manjaro, where it uses its own repository.
If you really want to understand Linux and become fluent between distributions, you should try Slackware. In fact, once you use Slackware, the BSDs make more sense. The learning curve is steep, but after you climb it, you'll be familiar enough with enough concepts at a low level that you can take on just about any task in your Dev or server environment confidently; your toolset will be diverse and powerful.
I personally use Debian. Its solid and stable. I dont care about the bells and whistles; i just want something that will keep working.
I also use Debian on my old ThinkStation S10 which has a Quadro card. Debian is the only linux distro which runs on it without any problem. Super solid and stable.
I do care about the bells and whistles. Hence I use Linux Mint Debian. :P
I 100% agree with you, Debian is fantastic!
Thanks for you response swtpete, at the moment I'm only keeping windows on my drive so I can safely transfer over everything I need to Mint, from there if nothing failed (fingers crossed) It'll be going straight in the trash! Have looked into running Oracle VB if I ever need to run Windows again, it's on the giant list of things to add in before. Glad you liked the article!
I would be the rabbit in search of distros and monthly installing a new one. Then I found Fedora and went 2 yrs without reinstalling it or ever wanting to change it. And it loaded still super fast and didn't need a fixup. I one would always choose Fedora.
Yeah this is the issue I had, I found one I liked then oooo another one i liked and repeated the process for quite a while until I finally settled with Mint. I do like Fedora, just found that I liked Mint more.
I've made the switch from macOS to Ubuntu 18.04 (for development only). I'm not an open source purist though. I still use proprietary tools like Intellij IDEA Ultimate, Dropbox and Spotify -> I do consider Spotify a dev tool... ;)
I chose Ubuntu because they have made the switch to Gnome which is my fav GUI. Also it just works well out of the box with the hardware I have.
While I like Apple, I came to realize that GNU/Linux gives you more freedom to pick your favorite OS using your favorite hardware.
I'd also recommend Pop!_OS
It's maintained and released by System76, is based on Ubuntu, but is targeted at Developers and creators. It comes with less secondary software pre-installed, but also ships with things like the Nvidia drivers installed out if the box
There was a time when I was in the university I tended to format my laptop every 3 days testing Distros, eventually I realized that I always ended up going for ubuntu based distros because it suited me better, but also I realized that I ended up dual booting Windows 10 all the time, I sorted tons of mistakes and errors when it comes to partition and dual booting, it was a fun ride, specially when exams were close.
Now days I use Windows 10 with Powershell instead of cmd, that improved greatly how I worked on my dev envs, also thankfully many of the tools I used have vastly improved and they work as close as possible in linux and windows, so I don't have any problems/differences on my Linux machines and Windows machines.
I do use Linux too, I use Ubuntu budgie, which is a really neat distro with what I always use under the hood, when I don't use Ubuntu budgie, I use Manjaro, which is complicated sometimes when it comes to my dev setup, because many tools expect a debian/ubuntu based OS (though Manjaro does have an amazing community ensuring that stuff just works on it)
I've been a Linux user since 2016, started off with Mint, but I never could find a distro where I could stay more than a month or two...
Until Bionic was released this year, and I'm happily using Ubuntu MATE since then...
For any newbie user I'd definitely recommend UM, and then MX Linux...
I found MX very very well crafted and prepared, with Debian's reliable stability- the most complete distro I've ever seen and tried...
If I had another machine I'd definitely run that...
Debian is my go to for any basic installation. My personal laptop is Arch and the one from my employer is Cent OS. Debian and Cent OS are hard to mess up. If there is a package for it Debian probably has it in the repos but might be a few versions behind. Also, check out tiling window managers like i3 for more productivity.
You should definitely try Zorin OS and elementary OS. They are true diamonds.
Arch is definitely NOT a pain to install. It's been over-hyped by those who simply don't understand Linux. Additionally, any desktop environment can be installed on all of these distros, and limiting each machine to one is inaccurate.
KDE Neon.
I recently went the other way, Linux > Windows.
I love Ubuntu and the Linux kernel but didn't want to partition my new laptop. I also want to see how far I get using Docker with Windows.
Unless you have windows 10 Pro, I believe the answer is basically "nowhere" unfortunately.
Nah, there is still legacy support for using it with VirtualBox. I will probably upgrade to Pro in the future if current support starts lacking.
Interesting, most of the distros listed (with exception of a couple) have worked perfectly from install, granted I've had to install the packages I need but that's obvious. WiFi, Bluetooth and 4k screens haven't been an issue. I currently work on a tower machine based of AMD architecture, I haven't yet looked into replacing my Macbooks OS. Is it only laptops you've found to have issues with?
You realize that all Environments are available on all OS from that chart, right?
Debian is very nice and low bloat. I use it on my Chromebook it out performs Ubuntu and is great for my usage (basically just live in Terminal and vscode)
Some years ago I used Ubuntu, I have used MacOS to and forth and nowadays I mostly use Debian... After seeing this table I think I'm more and more gravitating towards higher expertise systems. Well for now Debian feels nice and familiar for me, but maybe I should try Arch one day.
Respectfully, I disagree with your table.
Fedora's installer is as easy as it gets to install the distro. Also, the community is developers first. I don't understand why would you catalog it as a medium expertise distro. There is, hardly, a better distro for developers, not to mention the awesome and knowledgeable community surrounding it.
CentOS, on the other hand, is a binary copy - branding from Red Hat Enterprise Linux; which is downstream from Fedora. It's a bit older and considered stable. Why would you catalogue it as a high expertise distro? It makes no sense to me. Try Gentoo or Arch for that matter. That said, nothing helps you grow in knowledge as using one of the aforementioned, IMHO.
I think your article is misleading and uninformed. Please, do the homework before writing something to "guide" other users. :S
Well you're entitled to your own opinion. The table is based on my personal experience with the distros listed over a long period of time (ranging roughly 5 years give or take). Yes some information has a little of because obviously things change with time and Linux changes a lot, the information found is what I found and had personally written down, hence why I've been making small edits in places where I was wrong. I'm not sure what you're on about with Fedoras installer though? I didn't mention that it was hard to install, that was only on Arch. While Arch is a pain to install there has been a few new solutions released recently to help with the process. As for CentOS while I liked the OS I had a lot of issue working with it, and speaking with colleagues that have used Cent for a much longer period than I have they had similar and other issues either previously or currently. The table is there to give people an idea of my mind set when I decided to fully switch from Windows, and it's just my personal opinions. Hence why I linked another resource to assist in choosing a distro.
I switched to Linux mint myself about three months ago from OSX. It’s great.
Don't forget backups! That's one thing I wish I'd paid more attention to when I first made the switch.
I opted for Linux Mint Debian with the MATE desktop environment. :)
I've been running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my Chromebook for two years and I ❤️ it.
You missed Alpine Linux, which is the preferred choice for building Docker containers.
Oh by the way: how is Arch "based on Debian"? Honestly wondering - I always thought it was written from scratch?
Ah that was a mistake on my end, will fix. Thanks!
i would like to share what i wrote few months ago for linux beginners.
medium.com/@chathula/as-a-beginner...
Manjaro* 😉
no Gentoo love?
Manjaro *
I'm using OpenSuse since 2002 !! Very good distribution, you should try it.
NixOS really deserves a mention. The ability to duplicate your system anywhere on a whim is extremely valuable. As all things Linux it has a learning curve, but it's very much worth it.