hey!!!
I currently work with an HP laptop running Windows 10. I have ever been tempted to switch to Linux and lately the idea has been coming back...
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I’ve been using Windows for years, I recently switched over my Desktop over to Linux and I’ve never looked back. I also enjoy playing games from time to time, so I decided to go with Pop_OS!
I don’t miss Windows one bit.
Same!
I don't really care about games that much, I'm afraid of losing compatibility with drivers and so on... but opinions like yours make me want to jump into Linux! Thanks, Theunis!!
I've not had many issues with driver compatibility, Nvidia have good drivers and the only issue I've had is the realtek audio driver but that allows you to compile it from source
Recently I switched from Mac to Windows because I'm working on a windows native app combined with web view. I have found that working with WSL2 is awesome, everything work related, including source code is inside the linux subsystem, and Visual Studio, Windows tools and the native app are running on the win kernel. It feels like having best of both worlds. Not to mention gaming...
Right. WSL seems to be working better every day and they implement new improvements every little bit. Is a pure Linux really necessary having WSL??? Your comment makes me think not. Thanks, Avichay!
Choosing an OS is an opinionated thing. I know some developers who would go to war over that debate.
In my own experience, working on OSX, Windows, Ubuntu (and obviously terminal-based remote Linux machines - centos/ubuntu/etc), I find OSX very comfortable.
Recently I started working on a project running in a native window app, and virtualizing windows in my mac was slow as hell. So I took a (very) nice windows laptop and surprisingly found out that WSL2 feels native.
Combined with a decent terminal (The new Windows Terminal is minimal and nice), I do the actual work on the subsystem. Everything is there: the source code, the command-line tools, all Linux based.
Only the native app (and it's build tools) are windows executables, and I really do not feel I miss anything.
The ease of terminal and *nix workflow I had on MacOS is now available on windows, and nearly every *nix binary available I can use in the WSL.
I might even consider keeping this state for a longer time than expected.
The main reason for me is supporting open source and having built in Bash support. Course, with WSL2, GitBash, and everything else... There's not much difference. And since I have to use VS for work, I'm not using linux :(
It is one of my doubts, if it is so worth the change... or is it better to continue with Windows and work with WSL. Thanks, Winston!
Ability to run docker natively was deciding factor for me. Very often I find myself in situation where I am running multiple containers at the same time which I was also able to achieve with WSL2 on windows, but it kind of made windows sluggish. I have switched to Linux mint on my laptop which I primarily use for development.
You should try a dual boot setup. You can always delete the partition if you don't like it.
The biggest benefit of Linux is no viruses, Spyware and windows updates. Games might be supported on Linux but your graphics drivers may not. Driver support is getting better though. Dual boot is a good way to get the best of both worlds. Also MS Office used to be a major reason pinning people to Windows, thanks to Google that has all moved into the browser.
Is it true that there are no viruses, spyware and others ??? Not having Office is something that worries me a lot... and yes, dual-boot seems to be the best option. Thank you!!
I'm sure there are Trojans and malicious software out there but not as prevalent as on Windows. Security has always been an afterthought on Windows. On Linux you usually install software from your distro's package repository which is usually vetted. Occasionally you need to add a ppa (personal package archive) to get certain apps which I guess could present a risk. I tend to avoid this, I've found through experience that ppa's aren't maintained that well and tend to break the update process rather than being a security risk. Then also occasionally you need to install rpms or Deb files manually, but security is such that apps can't install themselves. Windows isn't as flimsy as it used to be, but viruses are still a thing. I guess browser plug-ins are a risk no matter what OS you use.
I've never used Office online but wouldn't that be an option? It would suck to have to reboot each time you want to use Office.
I also like to use Docker where possible to run certain apps. It gives me the peace of mind that I can delete the container and image when I no longer want the app anymore. Config files and other junk isn't left behind after it's gone.
An additional anecdote, I went to a Tensor Flow roadshow last year. The Google engineers spent the first two hours trying to assist the Windows users to get the curriculum Docker images working. The World would be a better place without Windows and MacOS :-)
You might consider a "dual-boot" setup. That way you can boot into a Linux distribution of your choice when you want to, and then switch to Windows or Mac when necessary for things like games. I recommend following an up-to-date tutorial to get it set up, and I also recommend Ubuntu or Pop!_OS for your Linux distribution.
Absolutely right, Austin, a dual-boot is probably the best option. Thanks!!!
Definitely go linux, its just so much better for development. Its also very fast and light compared to windows and the flexibility is insane. steam does work on linux, game support is lacking but getting there.
Do you miss anything Windows???? nothing??? :p
I don't game but I can imagine it's not great on linux. There can be driver issues in new hardware, but my laptop is a 2016 model so I am good there. All my dev tools work great, web browser support is fantastic, zoom, MS teams, ect. all work without issue, and most unsupported apps have solid Linux alternatives. So, I don't miss a thing.
You may, but do that on any other laptop. Always make sure that you have Windows or Mac on your main computer. I recommend usage of the Linux OS for personal use on a secondary device.
May I ask why?
Intro
I have been using Windows since I was born. I switched to Linux by setting up KDE Neon on my primary laptop. My laptop had two drives.
I installed Linux on my SSD for better performance. For the first month, I used Linux extensively and was impressed by its speed and low RAM usage.
Problem starts
The problem started when my SSD was full of software and packages. I literally had only 3GB left on my SSD. However, I had more than 950GB left on my hard disk. I tried to move those packages from my SSD to Hard Disk, but I failed. And that's the point I had to leave Linux and roll back to the shackles of Windows.
Thanks for the advice, Abhigyan, I'll keep it in mind.
@abhigya53544714 Ohhh, I'm following your logic regarding Linux now!
I assure you, the problem was not Linux there, but rather your drive configuration. The reason you "failed" to move those packages was because you should not be taking them out of the directories they're placed in by the package manager. Windows and Linux do not work in the same way; you cannot move packages like you can Windows executables.
There are multiple ways to fix that problem.
The quick-and-dirty way is to boot to a Live USB copy of Linux, so you're not booting to either hard drive directly. Copy one of the larger folders, probably
/usr, to the HDD, and then rename the original (temporarily, in case of error) and create a symbolic link from the SSD to the HDD. Then reboot to the SSD like usual. (This solution is only a stop-gap in case you can't reinstall, however, as it's a tad brittle.)The better, more stable way, is done at installation. Select custom drive configuration during Install, and set up the SSD as root (
/), but then set up separate partitions on your HDD for/usr(where most programs get installed) and/home. Your computer will be a bit slower as a result, obvious since you're loading your programs from an HDD instead of an SSD, but it will work pretty well regardless.Solution 3 is to get a larger SSD, but I assume that's not an option.
I agree with your solutions(I don't want to buy a new SSD), and I even implemented these all for a while. However, it became a nightmare to maintain all this.
How was it a nightmare, precisely?
Also, had you indeed reinstalled with
/usrbeing configured as a separate partition on the HDD? It didn't sound like you had. That isn't a "nightmare" at all; it's quite effective if done in the normal manner, and you wouldn't ever notice it (except for the speed drop).This is odd advice, given that I've been using Linux exclusively for six years, for both work (and I wear many hats in coding AND business) and play. I also know dozens of other professionals across several fields who do the same.
YES! Come and join us, the Linux Clan!
Oh yeah!!! Would you accept me even with a dual-boot??? : D
Wewill consider you an ordinary membership... lolI use Linux since Mandriva Linux. I only used windows in the past when it comes to games. It's worth to switch and I would recommend Ubuntu or Pop_OS for the first experience. If you search a good Book I highly recommend: How Linux Works.
Thanks for the suggestion of the book !!! And yes, I have to try the change... even if it is with a dual-boot at first.
I pretty much have the same requirements as you do. I use a dual boot system, and all my development work is done in Linux. It's just more comfortable, and I personally find it much more enjoyable.
I, however use Windows specifically for Gaming, Photoshop (GIMP, Krita, etc. are excellent in linux, I'm just used to photoshop) and MS Office. You can definitely work with LibreOffice or Google Docs in linux, but I feel extremely comfortable using a dedicated suite that is well maintained by Microsoft.
So yes, I would recommend a dual boot system, it's super easy to do and you can experience the best of both worlds!
Steam works fine for me on Ubuntu (Kubuntu). I think is the wrong approach to compare Windows with Linux. The question you should ask yourself is what features I dislike in Windows and then research if Linux has the same problems. At the end of the day if you boot on linux and you can't be productive initially, then you should ask yourself if you want to spend the time learning how to fix things, build program, etc. Don't just switch for the sake of switching.
You are absolutely right, Fernando! In the end everything is based on productivity. I think I'll give Linux a try and decide which one to keep... or I'll keep both. Thank you, man!
I actually went from Windows, Linux then to Mac. The reason being, it is what the company gave me when I went to Linux Academy last year. Now as a Linux fan I tried to get that sleek look through a Dell XPS 13 that shipped with Ubuntu, etc but whew, when I got handed this 16" MBP I was really impressed with the look/feel, weight, screen, ease of use and battery life. I have the features I need with Linux and the ecosystem/access for apps etc. Sure I could get them on virtually all OSs but maybe it truly came down to creature comforts?
Like others have suggested though, I do dual boot with Windows 10 and have an Ubuntu server here at home.
Yeah, man, another option for me is to keep this laptop with windows / wsl and have a MB Air with its bash and its nice things... and save a lot for an MBP like yours!!! hahahaha! Thanks!!
Yeah, depending on what your doing, I bet the air will be that sweet spot with an external monitor and on the go ease. With git and remote syncing it's easy to switch between machines.
Totally, Pawel!!! dual-boot is the winner!
Id' run a distro in a VM and see if you like it - personally I would go with silverblue Fedora - the containerized workspaces are amazing and it offers something unique. You should still be able to use Steam. In fact they have some wine integration that let you run windows games.
I work on the GNOME project, but there are plenty of choices of UX desktop that you should evaluate and see which one is more comfortable.
VM is an option, actually my Linux experience is through VM or WLS. I think I'll try a dual-boot, and of course I'll try GNOME. Thanks!
The most practical is dual boot but make sure you always backup your data before risk on installing OS that in rare case may cause storage partition corrupted.
reFind is a better boot manager you could use, download binaries from SourceForge.
Doing benchmark on Linux tend to give accurate results and has plenty of tutorials you can find on the web. It’s good to explore and you can do anything you want on Linux including develop software with Go language for a self contained binaries. Think how you can build something that works on cross-platforms is interesting but I would target web development to be a better choice.
Thanks for the advice!! Clearly a dual-boot seems to be the best option. I'll take a look at reFind :)
Being a developer you should consider learning linux as 98% of super computers are linux. Also, most popular control panels (c panel) are based on linux.
Linux guy (even home users) can't survive without touching command terminal. While, windows is easy and user has variety of programs.
Get virtualbox.
Totally, you are right, in fact it is one of the reasons why I would like to switch and get more into Linux. I don't like VirtualBox, I think it would do a Dual-Boot... and I love the terminal!!
I love Linux. I've been a devoted Ubuntu user for years. Just know that you sometimes have to tweak a bit to make things work. But that's actually what I like, I don't get frustrated easily and I like to understand how things work. You get more control in return.
I've grew up on Windows and during my undergrad, I've found that linux and Unix are both power. From a sys admin approach linux is much easier for developing anything. Unlike Windows you have some restrictions to certain packages. Linux is the way to go and I've used both linux and Unix and never touched Windows. Though, windows is moving more to support linux and there's even a way to make linux look like Windows. reddit.com/r/unixporn/ is a great first step. I've change my dev to linux and Unix and I've nevered looked bad. (Windows) let's update to v2 (user) ok..... Waits ten hours...... Update is spinning.... (Windows) ok never mind, let's roll back till we fix the bug.
Ok I'm done. Anyways which linux flavors you used, you'll never look back
best way to test which Linux flavor you like is by using virtual box or VMware
In your case, I would choose Linux over Windows + WSL2 if:
As someone that have been primarily using Linux without dual-boot for more than 6 years, I warn you that perhaps there are not many reasons to do the switch anymore.
WSL2 was a remarkable step in closing the gap between windows and Linux, and it can provide almost everything that a native Linux experience would.
Still, if you make heavy use of docker/docker-compose and other ops/server-side tools you may find that they will run much better on Linux. By "better" I mean, less dependency errors and much less resource consumption.
Also, by getting used to Linux in your desktop you will be much more "fluent" when dealing with server-side in general. :)
But for simple full stack development, WSL2 is more then enough.
It's been almost 3 months since i have switched from windows to ubuntu and i don't regret.
I'm not a gamer and its only development, programming and once in a month of illustrations that i do.
See ubuntu is all about customisation and tuning your system to your needs.
So are passionate about tech and love to try out new things then its a perfect OS.
And ya ubuntu is way smooth and fast compared to windows.
If u got any problem with performance then there are a lot of onboard tweaks that can improve it
I like the customization of Linux tbh. Being able to use different shells and changing my desktop environment the way I like.
Games actually work a lot better these days. Steam now has this thing called Proton protondb.com/ they use to run games in a windows like environment on linux.
I think the biggest drawback of linux is that sometimes things just break and it requires a bit of tinkering. The more freedom you get to do what you want the more ways it could go wrong :)
Was on dual boot and then exclusively Linux for about 10 years I guess. Not sure anymore. I know that the day Win 8 came out I deleted it. What do I miss? A lot really. Mostly I miss viruses and antiviruses. Also those beautiful updates that just surprise you when you have something urgent to do, to remind you to slow down and not work so much. Then also all this beautiful software you dont even need to install yourself to have and enjoy, like candy crash. And lets not forget, in case you are a complete moron and actually forget that OneDrive or stuff like that is the best thing on earth... Windows kindly remind you about that, and often enough. Uh Microsoft account too! God forbid if you somehow wonder out of the usual path and manage to loose yourself and configure local login, again kindly, and often enough, Windows will teach you how to be normal again and join a happy MS familly.
And then all that customization, who really needs it? Why do people want to be different when there should be only one window manager, one desktop environment, one.... I mean, when it is so perfect!? Why? You might accidentally end up having fun, or learning other ways, instead of working. Urghhh.
I miss Windows a lot.
Why? Enable WSL and you can do linux. I play games on windows and code on WSL.
Go for it! Dev experience is superb. You can run many windows games nowadays directtly in steam
I'll do it with a dual-boot. Thanks, Ajboni :)
Currently dual booting macOS and Windows might consider trying Linux to join the rest of the cool kids here 😎
I'm also in an hp laptop and yes wsl seems like an option but I'm too deep in it wirh tiling window managers and rolling releases. Wsl can't match with my linux workflow
You could use WSL2 and have the best of both worlds.