I graduated the university with a degree in Civil Engineering, barely surviving that four year journey. I knew there was something wrong with me,...
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I don't know if I have ADHD, but I'm surely struggling to remember things.
I'm 43 years old and I started less then a year ago to learn the Frontend path and sometimes I completely forget classes that I took, even though I understood completely at the time and even managed to complete the exercises attached to the course (I'm learning on Teamtreehouse).
It took me a lot of months to realize that I'm learning in a wrong way.
So, after many years of not writing anything on paper, I started to take notes and write for myself in order to understand better.
I really enjoy what I'm learning and for the first time since I started, JavaScript is not something completely abstract and started to grow on me. A lot!
Thursday I'll have an exam for an internship program and I'm literally shitting my pants because sometimes I don't remember things like splice, or pop, or methods that I didn't use a lot in order to stick in my head.
I read your article and I realized that I'm not alone as far as remembering things, or making them stick into our heads.
Keep it up and write more for us, because it's heartwarming what you wrote.
This is so heartwarming. So proud of you. Stick to a learning pattern that works for you and certainly make notes as you go along. You are going to ace your exams. With regards to whether you may have ADHD or not, I'd suggest a lot of reading around ADHD signs and see how much you relate to them, note them down and if possible, talk to a therapist about it. There are several ADHD materials that help with managing the condition and so even without a therapist, you can use these remedies to help manage it better (that's if you have it). The only downside to not seeing a therapist is that you cant receive medications for it as you'd need a prescription to get them.
i wish you the very best, and lemme know how the interview goes. I'm rooting for you <3
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself if you're not remembering things like splice or pop. I've been using Javascript for years (maybe 8) and I still have to look up shift/unshift functions on occasion. Unless you're using them on a daily basis you're likely to forget. Being able to recall that that functionality exists when you need it and recover the understanding from documentation is more important. Very generally speaking.
I was diagnosed with ADHD sometime after my 60th birthday.
Your mention of making notes is a winner. For many years I've had work journals for making notes on whatever I am doing, write plans for the day, or just note what is happening during a meeting. (People sometimes ask for me for the meeting minutes, and I have to explain that I'm not the secretary, but otoh I can tell them what I thought happened at a meeting).
Taking notes is good for so many things. Guidance, prioritising, memory amongst them.
Talking (to yourself, or someone else) is really helpful for getting over those moments when you are stuck in a problem. Even writing out a problem as a github issue, or a stackoverflow request for help can solve the problem - and you don't even have to save or send what you've written. (Done that many times).
thanks for such a useful article
I'm so glad you found my article one worth sharing. I am always so elated when i meet people who got their diagnosis later/outside the normal known age group for diagnosing ADHD, because i had to struggle through getting a diagnosis, being told adults "cannot" get ADHD which is a lie.
I can see you also use some of the methods that work for me. I'm so pleased to know I am never alone in this. I appreciate your comment so much. I hope to keep writing more (hopefully something else doesn't steal my interest or cause me to give up on writing) <3
why at 60? just curious, because ADHD is life long, how did you cope before?
I coped "well enough" I guess. I was fortunate that I was studying when computer science was introduced at my Uni, so I became a programmer.
I think that I would have done a lot better though, if I could finish projects, handle people better, and just be more normal. And I was diagnosed because I do have mental health issues (depression) and was having three different conversations with my psych at the same time.
Overall I would say that being intelligent brought enough positives to outweigh the negatives.
Your experience fits a larger narrative of women diagnosis with ADHD where our gendered socialization outweighed the problematic behaviors we may have experienced. It was and still is a diagnosis skewed to boys and their raucous behavior.
Hey Dorcas! Thank you for this well-written post.
Being someone with an engineering background as well, I think I can relate a little to the challenge with finding interest in classes and abstract(boring) concepts.
In addition to this, I think you have just reiterated a few lessons to me:
Grateful for the lessons learnt. Thank you so much <3
One of the things that always makes me grin is that in the workplace I've had a reputation of being a stickler for procedure and being organized wereas outside the workplace friends see me as a force of chaos. The thing is, being organized is my only defence against unravelling and it works. The brain-squirrels need to be harshly disciplined, or hey'll just make a mess.
My advice is to learn the various Software design lifecycles and focus on those project management type skills. Jira can be an amazing asset for the ADHD squirreled mind for keeping track of what your supposed to be doing.Learn how many tickets you can work at a time to balance the need for novelty and escaping boredom and the need to minimize distraction. Learn the Pomodoro Method (15 minute timers), although if your on a good hyperfocus on something your supposed to be doing, turn that 15m clock off, and ask your workmates to leave you alone till you've finished your tasks. For non Jira-able things, use a todo list to organize your day.
Basically we suck at organizing ourselves, but we have the technology to let our computers organize us for us.
Thank you so much for sharing this. I am definitely going to give these a try and see how they work for me. Most times, i am more hyperfocused so i tend to be all in or all out. I am either not finding the ability to start any work, or once i start, I go hours without stopping. I need to find the balance and so I will give these methods a try.
Thank you so much for sharing
Hi, hope you are having a good day. I have ADHD too and I can relate to your situations. I use to take notes as a regular habit now. I've a whiteboard beside my desk to write down my current goals to make it remember and keep focus all the time. I keep 3/4 types of sticky notes, small note pads to write down my objectives.
Like you I'm a self tought programmer(still learning a lot). I'm not lazy but it's hard to keep focus on the same thing for a long time. I keep 2/3 rubics cube on my desk, I play them after about half/an hour of works and then get back to work again. It's very hard to follow a routine, but I try to keep my focus under control.
It's good to see a lot of you start thinking about the mental health and support each other. Wish you all the best guys. ❤️
Thank you so much for this. I have lotssss of sticky notes and notepads as well. You are definitely not lazy. For all you've shared, i can definitely tell that you are doing your best and I am proud of you.
I wish you the very best as well <3
Thank you so much. Best wishes for you too. 😊
Disclaimer: this response may not contain programming.
Wow. I love how you delivered this. You bring me colour, when all I see is gray. Thank you very much for this post. I am proud and grateful to read your post and its discussion. I am definitely not a qualified expert in mental health, but I notice that it is not black or white, surely anyone and everyone can suffer in all sorts of levels. I am indebted to you, all i can reciprocate is a love heart. Let there be love in this discussion.
Thank you so so much. Your comment is refreshing and heartwarming. Bless your heart <3
Alright, I'd written a big list and it was gone after login. So, here we go again. For all you ADHD-ers out there, here is my list of tips that I use personally. It may not work for you but at least you'll have an example of what is working for other and figure out rest for yourself:
Here is my short-list (yeah, I can came up with a bunch more :) ) of tips that work for ME. Important note - you have to figure out what works for you. Everybody is different. Can't stress that enough.
I appreciated hearing about your strategies and seeing how they overlapped with mine. I too have ADHD and sometimes I feel like a superhero, and other times I feel like a passive observer as I watch an entire week go by without any meaningful progress, despite my best efforts.
I too have to take notes to retain things, whether they be meetings etc. I find a good backlinking, second-brain setup to be awesome. Currently I use Roam, although I'm actively looking for an alternative. It can't require too much customization otherwise... I'll spend all day customizing it instead of using it as my stream-of-conscious anchor for discussions, meetings and tasks.
Again, thank you for being vulnerable and able to talk about this. I appreciate it, and I hope your developer journey continues to be fruitful!
Thank you so much. Deeply appreciate. Glad to know we share similar strategies as we manoeuvre ADHD in our everyday lives. I appreciate your comment and I also wish you the very best <3
Thank you for this. I relate to your feelings of "something wrong with me" and "I am lazy" until I realized it is not my direct fault. One thing I also do is listen to rhythmic type ADHD focus music... I found a lot in YouTube. It used to be DubStep until I found them. People would think I was crazy listening to dubstep while reading and coding, but it really helps.
Thank you for sharing your music with me. I am so open to recommendations that help to make living with ADHD easier. I am going to listen to them and hopefully like them and find them helpful too.
Thank you so much
Hello fellow ADHD programmer! Solid post, thanks for writing it, always interested in what others do when they've got the ADHD super power. ✊🏻
Thank you so much, I appreciate it.
As a university student with ADHD, all I gotta say you just needed motivation -- and usually you will get exceptional result since we got a double edged sword -- hyperfocus.
Without this blessing (and a curse) we aren't able to achieve anything, because we will become very lax, lazy and procrastinate, and that's not the normal kind of procrastination, it's a force of nature: that if you ain't interested in something, you will never get it done, you don't even want to take a look of it in your eye, just like you simply don't want a very badly structured or boring course.
This is one of my excuse of being academically underperformingFortunately, it is easy for us to get interested in something, but you can only select a few at a time. We are hyperactive, but it doesn't mean we have enough energy to achieve every interesting thing too.
Again, as a (probably adult) ADHD patient, all you needed are motivations, a curiosity, an intuition of interest to do something. Then when hyperfocus kicks in, we are able to get things done -- usually really incredibly.
Otherwise, don't expect us to produce any positive outcome, not even a little. This is what makes our life tough though, because although we are outstanding in some cases, but your general productivity is directly associated with your personal interest for something who suffers from ADHD.
Thus, this makes us a very unreliable workforce. We are more like catalyst -- normally we don't react, but we speed things up FAST when the prerequisites are met.
Nice article. I like your routine to commit everyday, i also start to doing that since this pandemic begin.
But i just saw your GitHub profile and haven't found any green square streak you mentioned in this post. I believe you must be committed on a private repository. If that's the case, you may turn on the option to show private contributions in your profile as in the setting page (github.com/settings/profile).
Yes yes most of my commits are to a private repo. Thank you for teaching me this. I really appreciate this
Oh wow, thank you for that insight!
Points 1 and 2 describe myself very well (but rarely doing sticky notes).
Now I'm curios whether I've got ADHD, too 😅
Don't self diagnose, ask a doctor for a referal if your concerned. There are things that have similar symptoms to ADHD but point to other causes. Its good to know what it is (especially as the treatments can be quite different). There are also comorbitities (Autism spectrum is not uncommon. OCD disorders less common but it happens too, although if you have OCD you'd know it [and no, I'm not talking about obsessive personality, OCD is a force of nature, the real disorder is extremely dehabilitating untreated])
These are just but a few that could or could not be signs of ADHD. You can always talk to a therapist :)
Love to see more ADHD folks on dev.to
I wrote this article that might interest some about the topic
Thanks a lot for that insight. This has come timely to my notice!
Great article 😉
I also have ADHD and I realise that your method is more in-depth than mine.
I shall improve.
Wonderful post! I really like your third post and I think I will try that as well.
Thank you. Glad to hear. Do give it a try and i hope it helps. <3
Exact same challenges I'm having...I forget almost immediately
Try these methods and see if they work for you.
Courageous. Thanks for sharing. Some of the items here resonates to myself.
Thank you too.
Thank you for writing this. I don't have ADHD myself but I have a colleague that does and understanding their process more is helpful and most times not surfaced. Please write more.
Glad to hear. I definitely will. Thank you
You are doing well, Dorcas. Amazing writing
Thank you Favour :)
Thank you for this. Also found out I had ADHD when I started learning how to program this year. Already did a 5 year Computer Engineering degree and managed a 82.5%, although I knew something was up for many reasons. One of them being my 'laziness' and I was always doing every single thing last minute no matter how much I tried.
Nearly broke down in tears and I finally had to find out why I always had to push myself to just maintain basic levels of productivity, especially now when I needed my brain the most. It was then I went to see the therapist. Had a couple of sessions. Therapy is going great. I find lifting weights helps my ability to focus(dopamine).
ADD (not same as ADHD) people can still be highly functional and very creative, ever more so than "normal" people......ADD is more common for adults, as many of us are past the "hyper" early teenage years.
But, the bottom line is, we age and there is cognitive decline, period.....dont let the media, or motivational speeches or doctors and meds fool you into thinking that aging cant affect you, it will, it can be slowed down, but is just a fact.....you wont be able to cope with as much as someone 20 or 30 years younger......so adjust your workload as you age (and your expectations).
For almost 6 years now, I have tried many times and failed trying to learn web development. Like you, I have ADHD. I also suffer from Bipolar Disorder, and just a couple years ago found out that I'm Autistic. I find myself watch motivational videos and try to get myself to start another video, but I find myself just turning off the videos and going back to my daily routine, wishing I had done more. I applaud you in your efforts and would like to thank you for writing your story. Know that you aren't alone in the struggle. Thanks for having the courage of sharing your story with others.
Keep going! ⭐
Really glad we talked about this and happy you found the strength to write about it! Things can only get better from here :D
Thank you so much, You've been super helpful.