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Manu Lopez
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How would you convince your company to implement unit tests?

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Suppose you are working in a super cool company, your coworkers are great and your job is fulfilling, but your company doesn't implement unit testing as it doesn't see any benefit from a business point of view.

What would you do?

As the title asks, how would you convince your company unit tests are beneficial? Would you try to convince from a technical point of view or a business point of view?

It would be great to read your comment!! ☺️☺️☺️

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Ben Halpern • Edited

For us, it helped to implement the tools that measure code coverage and give grades, like Code Climate. Somehow it's a bit easier listening to robots.

Code coverage is a flawed measurement, but it can help in a lot of ways

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Manu Lopez

Thanks for your comment Ben, I didn't know Code Climate! It looks quite interesting.

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Ripaz

Yeah, pretty nice tool I didn't know it existed. I will try to push it up in the next meeting with a team.

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Alexandru Bucur

I would say try first to push for functional tests before if it's a web shop.
It always depends on the types of the projects and the allocated budgets.

Try being practical, like, hey guys, remember the time when the 'register' part of the website didn't work because of push X? Here's a way we can easily test for that. Having clear examples is always a good first step.

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Chris James • Edited

Who is "them" ?

If it's your developer colleagues you shouldn't have too much trouble convincing them of the benefits, writing tests has more or less been industry standard for around 10 years now.

In short

  • Less bugs
  • Much safer refactoring so easier to change code
  • So faster development in the long run

If it's management, I would contest that you do not work at a super cool company. Do you ask permission to write classes? if statements? In 2018 writing tests is just as much as being a developer as refactoring is.

As a professional you are the expert being paid to make the right decisions as to how to make a maintainable system, not management.

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Manu Lopez

Thanks Chris for your comment! Maybe I was wrong saying that was a super cool company in the example but that was to focus in the unit test topic (pros and possible cons) and not in another business issue like supervisors don't listen to you or something like that. I really liked you thought in both tech and management terms.

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rhymes • Edited

Do they have functional / integration tests or no tests at all? Unit tests might not be worth it in some scenarios, especially if you have to deal with a legacy app with no tests.

I would bring up the rate of bugs and regressions and start from there. In the meantime you can start testing your code and maybe start adding those few tests in the CI pipeline.

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Manu Lopez

Thanks for the comment! I think the rate of bugs is a very good point.

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Alain Van Hout • Edited

It’s a basic truth that (a) adding features and (b) being relatively bug free, are equally essential to most businesses that want to attract and retain customers. Unit tests allow you to focus on the former, while having confidence that you’re doing fine with regard to the latter.

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RJ Hill

Convincing the company could be one of two things and I’ll just address them both.

Convincing leadership that you need tests of any kind is simple: “we need to do a little bit more work now in order to ensure that when someone new comes along and breaks things, they know immediately, without asking another developer, that something is wrong.”

Convincing other developers is also fairly simple: “we write unit tests so that when we break stuff we can get instant feedback on what we broke. We might even have planned for that to break because we’re changing a contract, then we see it break and have confirmation of that.”

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Kamal Mustafa

Unit tests might be hard to sell. Even at my current company, we have very little unit tests. But we have lot of tests, mostly functional and integration tests that being automated. Tests that every developer can run with just a single command make tests, or hook up into CI tools that automatically run on open PR or certain commits. This is much easier to sell. Who don't want just sitting around while computer do the work, instead of endless clicking and typing the same thing over and over again.

It amazed us when people say we don't do testing. What? You didn't test your code. So you just wrote it and ship it, and it just work? That's heaven. What they actually mean is that they don't automate their tests. Truth is, everyone are doing tests, the moment they write single line of code. This I think the crucial understanding we must put first. When we talk about writing tests, people think that it totally new things, so it must be hard and probably not worth doing it. But once we make them realized that it's no different than what they already doing (just being more efficient), they will start seeing the value of doing it.

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Sandor Dargo

A former agile coach of ours told a story from back in time he was a CTO. Top management didn't want to invest in (unit)testing, they didn't support the idea to say the least.

One evening the CTO told the big boss that he could save him X amount of money very simply. Words went on, this future coach showed the CEO how to implement unit tests and how they help to prevent bugs.

The next days, communication arrived from the top that everyone should write unit tests for the new code.

So try to sell it with what the business like. They like more revenue and less money spent.

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Manu Lopez

Thanks for the comment Sandor! I think your comment could be really helpful for many developers as it shows that companies sometimes only listen to business reasons and not too technical reasons. Sometimes we lack in the way we communicate with non-technical people and this could be a good example.

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Sam Ringleman

Is funny because I'm right in the middle of this exact dilemma. I was handed a large project and part of that is a major refactor of one of our mission critical components. So I am building my integration to work independently and then when it comes to making the full switch I'm going to fully build out all tests. I have a feeling when the transition goes smoothly, without breaking anything, my lead will see the value.

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Manu Lopez

Thanks for the comment Sam and I really hope everything is going well with these tests. An interesting approach could be to try to "sell" unit testing from a business point of view (pretty simple example: spend less time fixing bugs and you will reduce costs in that project). Keep us up to date with the project refactor and testing!

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M Bellucci

I wonder why people don't implement unit tests?

Our industry made awesome progress when deciding to start writing tests as the standard, but still need to add the DESIGN!
Which for me implies thinking/writing the software as interconnected pieces which play different roles.
At that point, writing isolated tests for those Units should be the norm.

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M Bellucci • Edited

Sorry I didn't answer your question.
I would start writing my own unit test.
People will start making comments against them in your PRs
And there you can point them to the literature, or talks around this topic.

A good tip for writing easily isolated tests is:
1- Search in the code for classes which have no dependencies and write a spec for it.
2- If you see a repeated behavior in two different classes Apply the Extract class refactor and create an isolated test for this new class.

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Scott Hannen • Edited

I've never personally witnessed the sort of change you're describing. At the large company where I worked one developer after another tried to explain it to us, even doing lunch trainings. No one caught on. I followed the crowd. A small part of the problem was that we confused unit testing with TDD, which makes it seem much more difficult. A bigger part was that we were ignorant and apparently loved bugs. Each of these developers gave up and moved on after a year or so.

Another developer joined, and really tried hard to sell it. He wrote lots and lots of tests. He did a lot of great work and did it at least three times faster than anyone else around him. That's conservative. At this point I got it. Still ignorant, however, I assumed that me getting it meant that everyone else did too, but it turned out that now only two of us were writing unit tests. Then he gave up and moved on.

Now it was just me. I tried really hard to sell it. Some of the managers, themselves previous developers, didn't even know what unit tests were. I showed them how I could write software that worked with very few bugs and do it faster because I always knew that a unit of code worked before committing it. Then I gave up and moved on.

I'm not saying that it can't be done just because I couldn't do it and a bunch of developers smarter than me couldn't do it (especially because it's just one company.) I just wouldn't beat your head against it too long. Unit tests are a good barometer for the health of other practices. If a team or department won't adopt unit testing then they love bugs and only a manager who gets it and enforces it has a chance of making a difference.

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Kasey Speakman • Edited

Usually production failures do a good job of justifying testing. But then knee-jerk reactions cause the pendulum to swing too far (like mentioned in Dan's post that Ben mentioned).

I mainly implement unit tests on a subset of code. Tests are required for the main business logic. We use Dependency Rejection so that we don't have to mock IO intermixed with business logic, so it is not hard to do. I've also had to unit test finicky libraries that can fail subtly based on settings (i.e. reflection-based serialization). But I don't test much IO. We use code paths which are few and well-worn for IO. If there is a runtime IO error, it is because of outage. Then it becomes an admin (or cloud infrastructure / resilience) problem anyway.

That is in our later projects. Our legacy code is a big mess and we basically don't unit test it (only manual acceptance testing). And deploying it always feels like jumping out of a plane and attempting to put on the parachute as we fall. We have tried writing some unit tests for it, but to even do so requires significant and risky refactoring. Instead we've been carving off chunks and rewriting them to the newer style.

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Hila Berger

I actually read an article about this exact subject:
typemock.com/convincing-management...
Please let me know if you liked it :)

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Manu Lopez

Yes, the article was quite interesting! Thank you for sharing it :)

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Hila Berger

No problem, I'm glad you liked it! :)

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Jonathan Boudreau

I highly recommend reading Li Haoyi's blog post on how to change a company from a software developer's perspective.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're in a larger company at the moment. This might be why it is more difficult to drive change - don't let that discourage you though.

I think that in your case, driving change will be more about increased quality than increased efficiency. Think of business critical code, and find a way to convince management that continuously testing the code is valuable. For me, the most critical code has been security sensitive code. Start small, and once others are on the bandwagon, you can push for even more testing.

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Todd Hogarth

That approach can lead to you being the sole maintainer of tests. I'm in that position now where other devs routinely break existing tests and resolve the failing tests either by deleting them or commenting out.

I think it is pretty easy making the case for automated testing to management but to developers not so much.