I'm about to start a project on data mining and statistics and the recommended tools are Python and R. As I have never before used R I want to lear...
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(General response, not specific to R)
I choose books because:
I choose online-courses because:
I look if the author(writer/speaker) is reputed for this domain. If he is in the development team, he can explain the "why it's working this way?" and it's something awesome to learn with the vision of the topic (langage or software).
Would you use a book to learn the basics on a fast-developing tool / language? And then maybe videos for the more complex and high-level concepts.
I use real books to search, digital books to learn the basics and videos for contents complex.
I see them as complementary sources,
This!
I must confess I never use video courses. I usually buy printed books, and sometimes ebooks.
My first problem with videos is the language barrier (I'm italian): I can read/write english very decently, but I struggle with real time listening. So, if I'm learning/studying something new, I still go with books.
Just start with It... can be hard for some hours... but It will teach you english understanding and will give you access to a different learning approach
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I can understand that. I've used videos, but only if literally nothing else comes up after weeks of internet searching. Even then, I sometimes have to bring up the transcriptions, even though I'm a native English speaker. Extremely thick accents coupled with broken English can be hard to understand, especially when the code is broken and you have to cross-reference and rewrite it to make it work.
That is a problem to me, too! OTOH most instructors have a very good pronunciation, so it ends up being a point in favor of courses to me, a good opportunity to practice English. Sure, it only works if I'm not totally alien to the subject but I rather read books for studying new domains anyway.
In my case I ussually do some steps when I'm learning somethin new:
1.) I start to learn from a video course, try to follow everything. As other people says in other comments is pretty usefull to improve your english and for me is more easy to understand. I can recommend you web pages like, Udemy, Udacity or Pluralsight.
2.) When I complete the course, I look for some book that I could read and learn / understand the most dificult parts. I think that video course in most cases doesn't cover the advanced parts, so I look for a book that can cover this parts.
3.) Create a project that help me to practice everything that I've learned, besides doing that a lot of doubts will come to you so you'll need to research, read, and aks about.
This is my recipe that I'm using for several years and It is still working for me. I hope that can help you.
PS: right now I'm learning python from courses.cognitiveclass.ai/dashboard they are offering for now free courses by IBM. Also there they have a path about R, you should check it.
Thank you! I will check it out!
What I used to learn the basics of python was Learn Python the Hard Way. The author has some humour and there is some repetition in the exercises so you won't forget instantly what you learned after you pass each chapter.
Thank you I'll check it :)
Typically I like to start with the official docs for whatever I'm trying to learn. I like having everything in text so I can scan more quickly and jump around/search for whatever I'm trying to find. I think for this reason I've never had much success trying to learn from videos/screencasts. Official docs are usually the most up-to-date resource available which is certainly a positive.
For something fairly well established/stable I think books can be good, but it's hard to recommend them for a newer or quickly changing technology.
Online courses can be good but I think it depends on the format and quality can vary wildly. I think getting recommendations from a community (such as dev.to or a programming subreddit) is a good way to filter for quality options.
By official docs you mean tutorials made by the same team or the actual manual? Because the latter one is a bit hard to follow when you are not familiar with the subject.
Ideally, something like the Vue.js guide or Kotlin Reference.
I know you mentioned you're trying to learn R, I looked up their official docs and they look dense to say the least. The quality of these type of documents certainly varies a lot depending on the project.
If I want to learn a new language I read the documentation and if it has a guide I do it. In this way I have a first approach. After depending on the context I search some book with a good reputation author, usually I use safarybooks. In the end if I a need more specific info I use online courses.
Isn't documentation a bit overwhelming as a first step?
Maybe if we deeping into documentation yes, but ususally we’ve a reference or guide that contain a general vision. For example, few months ago I wanted to learn Kotlin, so first I went to read reference for its web. Of course is a good way for me but hasn’t to be for each one else
I have two opinions, the opinion how student and how instructor/teacher.
INSTRUCTOR : Its complicated create content, for example "Course of Android" but why?
its complicate for 2 reason
STUDENT: If i need to learn Android topic deeply, i prefer buy a book
In internet you can found a lot of content but the problem is what most is oriented for begginners, maybe for this reason i prefer buy books.
P.D. Sorry for my grammar errors XD
Haha I am quite far from teaching. Not that experienced yet to feel confident.
Thank you for your answer!
That's pretty complex...
Everyone is different, in everything... in learning too.
For me, videos are bad... can't stand how fast people use to teach through videos.
An example... Wes Bos... It's pretty useless for me.
Too fast
Explaining while doing, without any theory or real explanations
So cool, so useless!
(he's really good with his work... he's nice and a good developer)
But it's all a matter of preferences.
I love to learn theory while doing work and we all need TO BUILD!
Most of the books without any exercise at the end of every chapter, are not well done books.
(Keep in mind that books are expensive sometimes... and subjects are really fast changing nowadays. Books won't get updated!)
BUT
If you've to learn something to get the work done, in some days... you need to learn the needed subject or library, and that can be complicated with books.
You need to skip most of the theory and go straight to the core of what you need.
In this case, videos can be very good.
But still you're memorizing and not really learning.
(I use an online Code school that I really like to learn... but of course, they're not going to cover every possible subject)
I agree with you! The most important aspect is building, breaking and fixing projects.
For short uni projects videos do the job but this time I need to get more in-depth.
In-depth...
you've to go both.
Learning from books and code a lot.
Videos are good tools not only for tutorials, but also for coding video, where you can check how good coders work.
My general view of the world, not specific to any one topic:
So I view them as going hand in hand really. But I think the main takeaway is that when you are learning something new it is important to understand the problem it is trying to solve. Once you know that, dive in and start using it as that is how you will learn even more in a short amount of time.
I took many online video based courses. Some of them are very specific and some udemy courses are just rip off of famous resources out there.
My suggestion is start with book.
Once you feel comfortable using R, then you can move on to advanced courses and projects
Video based courses are much easier to follow, I usually go for them too! Plus they fit in any schedule! No matter how much time you can invest.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out!
Mixed opinions - but the last topic I decided to learn deeply I bought an ebook and an online course, and I use both. I get tired of watching videos after a while and the book is a great reference to go and find things I forgot.
Any discussion of R inevitably brings to mind the obvious pirate joke, so allow me to take it and run with it so we can be done with the silliness:
Jokester: What's a pirate's favorite programming language?
Audience: R!!!
Jokester: Aye, the pirate be very fond of R, but it is the C that is his true love.
I'll show myself out.
Hahaha watch out he might get eaten by a Cshark.
Hold the door.
I dropped out of CS in 1997. I would pickup books every now and then to try and learn a different programming language or framework. I remember learning HTML 4.01 from a "Dummies" book. I recently decided to jump back into software development. I've read a few Amazon Kindle books, but the bulk of my learning has come from online courses. I think the online courses help me understand topics better because I can follow along typing code as it's being explained, and getting a chance to see the code in action on the instructor's machine as well as mine. I also think instructors that don't edit out their mistakes are very helpful. Understanding error codes is a big help.
In general, my experience is that basic level courses are not really worth it on online format compared to the value of the book. However a complete practical guide that includes advanced topics are really worth it.
I like books, because you can navigate throught it easy and read again many times and is more in-depth.
The blogs are very useful when you had a certain expierence with new language or tool(after read the book?), you can get good topics/guides that other people with more expierence that wrote for their self and everybody.
I think the talks are more good when you have some knowledge in this new lang/tool.
I dont like so much videotutorials/videocourse because my english is only good for read, is very difficult sometimes follow the video, maybe with subtitles....
But is better get a mixin of them, books and videos, this is because I have an account on Safari Books Online, in there you have books(digital), videos and online trainings, is very useful !
Other good site is Packt, good resources !
Finally exist Leanpub is an amazing site of books and courses where anybody can create a course or write/publish a book, is for this that you can get some unique books from people (also they write good blogs ?) that not have an editorial or something like that (fix me if I'm wrong on this).
Of course exists other free stuffs, but if you have some money I think is good give the correct price to this amazing people that have the time to share their knowledge.
Thank you very much! I'll check the links!
As commented in other answers, these kind of videos can help you improve your English. If you can enable subtitles, adjust the speed to your comfort and listen to people who speak clearly you can benefit. On top of that you also learn the point of the video provided it is in a programming context.
For me, the main concern about online courses (and video tutorials) is that the quality depends on the instructor, so is not a solution for every scenario. On the other side, you can't use a book from 2010 for learning modern web development or other evolving technologies.
So I guess it depends on what is your main concern. No matter what you choose, make sure to take 10 minutes to do research about the author/publisher/contents of the book/course.
I usually always take online courses. I have to do something to learn it, so getting to follow code and type my own at the same time means a lot.
But I also won't dive too far into learning, and would rather just create a project that will let me build, break, and figure things out.
Many times have I stumbled at the same point. While an online course seems to be more up-to-date and relevant, a book is a classic and sometimes more prestigious.
My opinion is that it depends on the level of detail that you want to acquire from the language/ techonoly that you are learning.
An online course generally provides more examples and hands-on mini projects, while a book gives a deeper experience but focuses more on abstract paradigms.
My suggestion would be to try first an online course (just to get a grip and a general idea of the topic), and then to supplement your learning with a classic book.
Hello Kostas!
I guess you will eventually the best approach to you. It is kind of personal.
Nonetheless, here is what works for me.
I prefer books when entering whole new areas of expertise. In this case, I need to make my own pace, going back and forth in the subject, pausing, taking notes etc. For example, once I had to set up a call center but had zero knowledge of VoIP et al. So I read The Asterisk Book and Getting Started with Elastix.
When I'm acquainted with the subject domain, I find video courses helpful. Since I can assimilate the topic easier, the pace of the course helps me avoiding boredom and procrastination. For example, some time ago we used JAX-RS in my workplace. I'm a well-seasoned Java developer so I burned by free trial of LinkedIn Learning with Alex Theedom's excellent JAX-RS Introduction.
I doesn't mean it will be the same with you, of course :)
A friend of mine could use that asterisk book! Thanks for linking it!
I wouldn't think of using that linked in learning trial ever, I look it up and check if there is anything that fits to my occasion.
As someone who just recently got into web development as a career change, i prefer courses over books. I learn by doing, and would much rather have a teacher explain the concept then try out a few projects myself than read a whole chapter about it.
It depends on the teaching capability of the guy making the video, as it is a skill in itself being able to teach other people.
The other thing is, the technology is always evolving. A book will only stay relevant for so long before it becomes useless, yet someone making a video is more likely make an updated version of the same video than write a whole new book. Just my 2 cents.
Usually good books have tests and practice ideas after or even during each chapter. But I agree, a good teacher is irreplaceable!
Don't waste your valuable time... a bit of courses and a lot of practice is all what you need.
That seems to be the best choice but I struggle starting a project when I don't know all about the tools I can use. Or the capabilities of the programming language I am learning.
What do you struggle with exactly? just put more info, and I'll be happy to help ;)
For example recently I was doing a python 3 course and didn't have any ideas on what I could build with it or how. I needed more time to see what are py's bemefits and strong points so that I could learn more as I build my project.
I don't know if you've ever coded in that language, I just used it as an example. At what point you think is a good time to start a project? After finishing books and courses or during that time and keep learning as you are coding?
What I do is I work on a project and read/watch about whatever I need... never read/watch something i dont need, it's just a waste of time cuz when i need it I'm gonna read/watch the same content again.
P.S: I spend 2 hours everyday to learn about totally new tech, cuz it's not a problem to not master specific tech, the real problem when you dont have an idea about what other tech can be useful for.
P.S.S: I use Python/CSharp for backend.
So... let's face it with a simple analogy:
Suppose you're practicing as a pro football player, and your dodging & defending skills are good, but you're terrible at free kicks... would you do more dodging and defending? or focus on doing more free kicks?
Lemme define some vars
Dodging = reading from books
Defending = watching courses
Free kicks = doing actual project
I agree, but usually books have snippets of code as examples. If you recreate and try to improve or break them you can get a good grip on the concept you are studying. This of course takes time, but you have to invest in order to learn.
The downsides I have with books are the same with the downsides I have for online courses, so it really would be personal preference for how you learn. Like what got mentioned here:
What's your ideal way of learning? 🤔
Christian Vasquez
I dislike watching videos, so I almost always buy an ebook for whatever I'm learning since my tablet is always with me. Paper books get outdated quick for tech subjects, but for more established frameworks like Python and R, you'd get a really solid foundation on only need to Google some syntax stuff when doing it on your own with the bleeding edge version.
eBooks and online courses sometimes publish updates and corrections, but you'd need to find a good publisher or instructor you can trust will provide the right info. I tend to stick with PacktPub or Manning for material, and they seem to do right by keeping their material modern.
It would be easy to learn from videos because human normally understand through images.
Every one has there own approach in learning .
Someone likes Reading books or documentation and someone feels comfortable by Watching tutorials find your approach too test everything.
Bookmarked! :D
Yes it's easier for me too to focus on a 5-10min video than a full chapter. So videos are the way to go most of the time.
Personally, I usually try to find online courses to get me up to speed faster. But studying from a book seems more in-depth