Big news in Deno Land

Deno creator Ryan Dahl goes one-on-one with Jerod to discuss their new npm support, why he’s so excited about JavaScript containers, Deno Deploy’s present & future, what he thinks about alternative runtimes like Bun, WinterCG, how Wasm fits into the story & more!

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Featuring:

• Ryan Dahl – GitHub, Website
• Jerod Santo – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn

Show Notes:

• Ryan on The Changelog #443
• Deno 1.28 announcement
• JavaScript ShadowRealms
• JavaScript Containers
• WinterCG

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Opener
(00:32) - Sponsor: Sentry
(01:11) - It's party time, y'all!
(02:01) - Welcoming Ryan
(02:44) - Deno's 1.3 million "new" packages
(05:14) - Pragmatism vs idealism in decision making
(07:23) - How Deno added npm support
(08:09) - How npm with Deno is easier
(11:12) - How npm with Deno is safer
(14:27) - npm package compatibility concerns
(17:10) - Sponsor: Sourcegraph
(19:45) - Why Ryan is excited about JS containers
(25:48) - It's Cloudflare "vs" Deno
(26:40) - Deno Deploy's infrastructure
(28:07) - Cold start performance goals
(29:24) - What is WinterCG?
(31:02) - Ryan's thoughts on Bun
(35:21) - Does Deno unlock new kinds of apps?
(36:48) - Sponsor: Lolo Code
(39:01) - How Wasm fits in to the story
(41:09) - Deno Deploy's ideal customer
(45:46) - Any update on Deno's db product?
(47:21) - How close is Deno to Ryan's goals?
(48:59) - On Ryan's longevity in the industry
(50:20) - What's coming soon to Deno?
(51:36) - Wrapping up!
(52:00) - Outro

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