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Web Monetization like I'm 5

Name cannot be blank on May 18, 2020

Table Of Contents Web Monetization like I'm 5 Why we need Web Monetization Web Monetization as a user Web Monetization as a Creator Sug...
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boyiin

Awww interesting writeup, at first I didn't understand the article but after going thru all the comments, apparently, you'd answered all my questions .Now I understand what web monetization is all about..
Just amazing! Thanks for this. 👍 👍

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Oyinkansola Alabi

@sultan , thank you for this eyeopening piece! I must confess that I was completely lost when I read the article for the first time. I see it as a way of creating a balance between creators and users.
So it means eCommerce site, for example, can now make money from the products or services they sell and the traffic they drive. Cool !!

But how about surveys?
I'm curious about how this will affect survey companies?

Also, can you shed more light on the type of user data that can be protected?

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For E-Commerce, I think their main source of revenue is from the sales conversion rate. They wouldn't really be interested in these, normally, we won't even count them as content creators but a service creator. They are making money from the products they're able to sell through their platform.'

Also about surveys, I really do not see this affecting the survey industries in any way. The positive part is they can monetize their various survey results.
Also in terms on user data and privacy. The good thing here is, the system is designed not to hold user's read history either on the go or in a database, meaning Coil is designed in a way that they don't get to see what you're interested in reading. So the privacy there is not protecting your data, it's making sure your data are not stored in the first place for them to need protecting.

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angiethedev

Thanks for the article. It's very informative... and maybe a treasure map too.

The target now is to religiously explore the links on getting set up, then ultimately own a website and publish contents to benefit from this future goldmine.

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Max

i love the privacy part but can search engines like google monetized their contents, if so i think the web is going to be like the BVN we use in Nigeria where you must own one for you to transact.
Nice article chief

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This is a great question.
1st: We can't relate Web Monetization to BVN in Nigeria because even though individual creators have unique payment pointers, Coil and others do not track what a user is reading but only the activities going on once the monetization starts. This means, even Coil doesn't save your data as a user or keep track of your reading history.
2nd: The view about search engines monetizing their contents is really tricky and interesting but I don't think that's going to happen, search engines thrive on the ability to return enough results on search queries, this means as many results as possible.
I hope you understand my explanations? feel free to ask more questions if anything is unclear.

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Max

This is well explained, I really hope this gets a lot of grounds and is widely accepted. For the privacy part is really interesting as I think this will end a lot of unwanted ads displaying in your feeds.

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Name cannot be blank Author • Edited

Web monetization is currently being discussed as a standard, and a lot of popular web vendors are on this.
Here's an interview the founder of Coil had with the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

w3.org/blog/2019/09/w3c-interview-...

About the ads, Web monetization as a term here, coil as a provider, and tons of other providers will in no single way include ads either wanted or unwanted to users. If you're on a website that's monetized as a user, and you're seeing ads, it's because the creator is using an entirely different ad vender on that website, this in no way has anything to do with Coil as a provider.

Let me put it like this, the term Web Monetization here is in no way related to showing users ads.

Just adding this here:
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is an international community that develops open standards to ensure the long-term growth of the Web. w3.org

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Max

Fully understood chief. Thanks for the enlightenment

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Abolaji Mustapha

Good piece of article! But I must say, scoping about the privacy protection aspects that web monetization services like coil are meant to provide, I feel there's still sort of a bridge in this, at least from the info I've consumed so far.

I think in the adaptation of web monetization services like "coil.com" content creators, should work fully in compliance with the solution to make their web user's experience a fully privacy protected one, as such, technologies implemented in the "Coil.com" platform should be to detect any form of privacy bridge installments on web pages and call authors/Creator's attention to enable user authorization on such implementation. This being established, micro web installments such as Ads by Google are detected on pages, automatically eluding these pages from payment except authorized by the user. I mean coil in this instance would be fulfilling their role as a privacy protector wherever it may concern them.

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olajide joshua

Great article! But my question here is, Let's say for example I am a content writer and I have a blog post and I have already signed up for coil (A way to monetize my premium articles and the likes) How do I get paid even though the user viewing the content hasn't signed up on coil but Just viewing the content. Will I be paid based on the number of readers or the time spent on the platform (monetized)?

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As a creator, you can decide if you want only people with a monetization subscription to view your content or everyone in general. Coil calculates how much micropayment to send to you as a creator based on user interaction with our article. If the users viewing your article are not on a coil subscription, you don't receive micropayments to your payment pointer attached. Example: devcareer.io is monetized, if users on a coil subscription visit the website, I get micropayments, if users without a coil subscription visit, I don't get anything. I can easily set it that only people with coil extensions should be able to view it if I want.. It's all depends on me.

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Ayodeji Oladimeji

I'm sorry for disturbing sir, can you please enlist the advantages of being a Creator.

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Majorly, as a creator, it's a simple way to get revenge.. A micropayment is another word for money. And due to the use of interledger you don't have to worry about your location or the location of your users.

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Ayodeji Oladimeji

Such a nice response,
Now I have the Idea.

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☞ Desigan Chinniah ☜ • Edited

For further insight into some of the thinking between Web Monetization provider (Coil et al) members and non-members viewing content do see 100+20 Content Rule. This is just a baseline start for this thinking and we totally expect that things like the DEV Hackathon, the initial early 2020 Grant for the Web CFP and many other upcoming activities will bring out even more creativity here.

+@tdaypreneur @unclejaa

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Jerry Aaron

Have read the article since last night and went through ideas regarding the hackathon. I have a question. when u build an app or website and add web monetization to it. Let's say a blog how will a user who did not subscribe to web monetization let's say (the user did not register on coil) will be debited or be charge for consuming contents on your site

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Right now, the adoption is still new, and also content creators can decide on that. For example, if you visit devcareer.io and you don't have a coil extension on your browser, you will still be able to view all the contents, and if you have a coil account, coil will stream micropayments to me. I can decide to make content visible to only people with a monetization account (extension) on their browser. So it's totally depending on the creator.

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Emilie Ma

They won't - you won't receive anything either.
However, you can make it so that a user can't see exclusive content if they don't have Coil.
See webmonetization.org/docs/exclusive....

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WISDOMUDO

Adding to the above questions, is it only those that have account with coil a content creator can earn from?

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wisestMe

Thanks Sultan for the early eye opener. Please i would like to know in addition to the data security of users and possibility of making money as a content creator, are there features on the platform to put a check on plagiarism?

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Each website being monetized is different. If I copy exactly what's on your personal website and to put on my personal website, my hosting company won't block my website because the contents are copied. Let me try and explain like this, Web Monetization does not govern or control the contents you share under a single umbrella. You're only implementing a feature that allows you to monetize content on that particular website. The same way Twitter would not block you from copying someone's else tweet and tweet. Web Monetization does not have power on your content. To the best of my understanding right now.. If you have any questions on this, feel free to ask.

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wisestMe

Thanks. I understand your explanation. However, I would like to suggest even though they do not have control over what content creators put up on their sites,they can still put features in place that can enable us to report plagiarists then allow them investigate and take necessary actions to discourage plagiarism. And also forewarn content creators before they come up on the platform. Just a suggestion.

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Mik Seljamaa 🇪🇪

Might be an idea with biz incentive, rather than delete plagiarism/ ban the plagiarist, maybe get a reference system going that might further explode the original creator's revenue stream, if they are plagiarised. So there is sort of an incentive to it even to plagiarise a bit and mix it with own work. Being more proactive than reactive.

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wisestMe

that's another interesting angle to look at it from.

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femakin

Nice Write-up! My concern is just that
Online Advertisements may become extinct which might not be favorable to some business platforms.

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Well, it's not that black and white. The first thing is, We all want a safer and faster web. And right now, web monetization is not coming to clash with ads. Both can co-exist.
Let's look at it like this, Web Monetization is putting both users and creators in mind and since it can co-exist with ads, it's a double win for content creators and since users don't have to pay multiple subscriptions to each platform. It's another win for the users too.

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femakin

Win Win 💪 for both sides

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Stella Ozemoya

Thank you very much Sultan, i really love this article it just for me who is a mother with 4 kids and want to work and get paid from the comfort of my home, (remote working and blogging) i am just starting web development with Node.Js thanks to you and others, from the above i need a to web site first before setting up stuffs, i still need to carefully read through to understand more, but this so great!

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I'm glad you find it useful. Be sure to ask any questions you have relating to this.

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Chris Lawrence

Thanks for the rigor and excitement you bring to this post. As a member of the Program Team team for GftW it is fun to start to watch people get curious and buzzing about the possibilities.

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It's amazing and I really hope I'm able to work on my goal of introducing 10,000 Africans (Creators) to Web Monetizatin before the end of this year....

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Chris Lawrence

So do we, keen to see how beyong the grant funding we might be able to help.

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That'll be great, kindly share a twitter handle I can send you a DM on.

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Chris Lawrence

either @GrantForTheWeb or @chrislarry33 (me) will work

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Jason C. McDonald • Edited

Anyone reading this in 2020 or later: AVOID COIL. They do not have proper processes in place to protect data. They just sent a big 'ol privacy policy email out, and exposed every single user's email address in the To: field. This is no small error: it amounts to the same damage as a comprehensive data breach.

I just deleted my account, and I strongly advise everyone else to do the same.

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Jake Cupani

Coil seems cool, but have you checked out the Brave browser? It allows users to support their favorite sites through the Basic Attention Token (BAT). I would highly suggest checking it out.

brave.com/

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Code_Quinn

I am still confused on what MONETIZATION mean

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Monetization here means an individual (creator) getting money for the content they're putting on the web.

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Ayodeji Oladimeji

From the Article, I can summarize it as the process of earning money from a particular website or blog by using it as an advertising platform.
Can you please tell me more about the advantage of being a user?
Do user's get paid?

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No, not an advertising platform.
Let me put it like this, people who provide content online want to generate money from it. People who consume content online, are willing to pay for premium contents (tutorials, article etc). What web monetization does is allow a user who has a monthly subscription access all the contents that are behind a paywall through one single subscription. Imagine instead of paying for Medium, TechCrunch etc and other blogs that require you to pay a monthly subscription to read, you can have access to all these with just one subscription. You're happy, the creators are happy also...
Users don't get paid, the reward for being a user is the access to premium contents.

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Ayodeji Oladimeji

Thanks for the enlightenment, Now I understand what web monetization is all about...

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Ganiyu Omotayo Seedik

Does that mean those without coil account will be restricted from viewing the page or they will view it for free @sultan sir?

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Right now, the adoption is still new, and also content creators can decide on that. For example, if you visit devcareer.io and you don't have a coil extension on your browser, you will still be able to view all the contents, and if you have a coil account, coil will stream micropayments to me. I can decide to make content visible to only people with a monetization account (extension) on their browser. So it's totally depending on the creator.

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Ganiyu Omotayo Seedik

Sorry sir, who is paying here? User or coil ...

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With a user's monthly subscription of $5 on Coil, Coil will be paying the creator for the user.
Take it like, instead of subscribing to $5 on like 4 to 10 different websites, with one subscription, you get to see all the contents on this website. A win win.

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Ganiyu Omotayo Seedik

Thanks sir ... Now I understand better

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Piyush Sinha

Creator also need to buy that 5$ subscription for this to work? I have made a creator account on Coil & added my uphold payment pointer there. I have also added the meta tags on my website. Anything else I need to do?

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Thomas Bnt

Uphold for payement pointer is now available !

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Fiona

A really insightful article. Thank you for this

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Emilie Ma

Great post and introduction to Web Monetization!
Just an aside - your Table of Contents doesn't seem to have rendered properly! :)

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LOL. Thanks for spotting that. In my defense, I did try to edit it again.. Looks like I just can't get it right...

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Godspower Uche

This is nice.

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Ben Halpern

Thanks for a great post

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Keenan Payne

Thank you so much for taking the time to share! I love the idea of the Web Monetization API and I hope that it continues to gain momentum for content creators across the world

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Akinmegha Temitope (T'megha)

Thanks for this @hacksultan ..I understand the whole coil ,micropayment stuff,your response to the comments just answered my questions. ..

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ufonumo

Can I decide to monetize all of my webpages? Or must it be just a single page

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You can decide to monetize all your pages. In my example above, I only monetized devcareer.io/about as a test feature. As of now. The whole of devcareer.io is monetized and even our mini CV feature (over 1000+ users) is also monetized.

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Nnanna

Hi, please can I implement this on a site built with Notion?

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If Notion allows you input meta tags on your pages, then sure you can.

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Nelyne

Thanks for the write up and subsequent explanations... really brought it home for me... well done

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Thanks. Glad you find it useful.

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gbolame

Thanks so much mentor ♥

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Glad you find it useful.

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Nwokocha Hannah

The article was really enlightening it explained web monetization very well. But of you are using coil do you have to authorize the payment or every month it takes the payment automatically.

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Great question, payments are automated to reoccur every month, but you can stop/pause it anytime you want. So with this, you still have total control.

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Williams Charles

Very informative and insightful, definitely going to research more about it

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Great. Feel free to reach out to me on any questions or roadblocks you might be facing.

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Micheal Adisa

Quite Interesting stuff!

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donaldcrane

Basically going through all the comments and replies made me understand more about web monetization... Thank you very much for this great opportunity

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FlitX

Sir, it would be nice if you gave us an explanation of interledger.

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Kevin Mungai

Thanks for the informative article.

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Micheal Adisa

Quite interesting stuff.

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Name cannot be blank Author

Really interesting. Thanks.

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Mik Seljamaa 🇪🇪

Dude! Get Gary Vaynerchuk to talk about it and grow like on fire.

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Antonio

thanks for sharing this. It looks super interesting

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Chinweike Jude Obiejesi

Does this also works for sites created with Wordpress?

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Chiamaka Onwujuobi

I love this. I'm a junior Android/Flutter dev. Where do I start from pls

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Adil Sher

A question after a very first read: How different would it be from Google adsense?

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Mr Folahanmi

A very interesting writeup, very explanatory and I even when through all the comments and apparently you'd answered even my questions there already.
Just amazing! Thanks for this.

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Lol... happy you were able to get answers from the comment section...

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Mik Seljamaa 🇪🇪

Just a few excerpts and thoughts:
o hackSultan hack (often confused with cracking)
o from Nigeria (home of the your African Uncle has died spam)
o visit coil.com/signup and sign up.
o "as of this time when I'm writing this, 15th of May 2020." (dollar is not accepted for transfers to Nigeria because of the level of crime in Nigeria used to be off scale...)
o "NO I haven't applied yet"
I am mildly amused by all of this...