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GitLab plans to delete dormant projects in free accounts
They plan on saving a quarter in hosting costs by doing this...
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I don't currently use GitLab, but if I did I'd help them free up space by moving repositories elsewhere.
Some repositories might be dormant because they just work. Relatively small tools that do 1 thing very well may not see many issues, PRs, etc, but may have many users. Albeit, anything of moderate complexity will likely see bug reports and feature requests along the way. But it is possible for simpler tools to have large user base with little such requests.
In other cases, some repositories may be source code to replicate experiments from a journal article or conference paper. These won't change and shouldn't change once the article has been published. Such repositories are deliberately dormant but serve a purpose.
They should freeze dormants project instead, deleting code is too harsh. Imagine someone have a vital piece of code hosted there.
Just freeze them on a kind of S3 Glacier hosting, cheap when few reads occurs. If trying to access it, display a confirm message to revive the repo.
Docker did something like this a few years ago -- and I lost some images that just worked. Ohh well.
Or IPFS which is free. They just need to redirect it to cloudflare-ipfs.com/ipfs/:cid/:repo_path
Not a vital piece, but I think I do have a few there. Mostly GitHub through. Worth logging in some time, and maybe move some to GitHub.
Importantly, they've backtracked already
But I'm going to offer a really spicy take: I like the idea both as a way to keep costs down for users and to keep the open source ecosystem healthy.
Given a generous warning (which the original plan did include) I think it's a good idea to encourage devs to offer a proof-of-life every once in a while.
How often do you look at a project that's been inactive for, say, three years and wonder what it's deal is and if it's safe to use? Sure, there are some happy, finished, does-what-it-says-on-the-label projects that just don't need a lot of maintenance, but more often, it's stuff that's just sitting there with unpatched dependencies, and even if it works today it will almost certainly break with the next breaking change to the language or framework and not offer an upgrade path. (I plead guilty.)
So you skip over it because you know you can't take on that kind of risk and you don't want to take on the technical debt of maintaining your own fork.
With this change (or something like it--colder storage might be a good compromise) devs who actually do still care about their happy finished projects get occasional reminders to let their users know they're still alive and doing things.
Putting up the occasional comment costs devs almost no time or effort and is a great service to the open source community. I do agree with the backtrack because deletion probably is too extreme, but I don't think this idea is without merit.
(At any rate, paging @ben to encourage him to update the title following the backtrack.)
Have you tried looking through the dependencies of any of your projects and seeing when they were last updated?
It's ridiculously common for packages that everyone depends on to go years without updates. Often that's just called "maturity".
Yes, I acknowledged that in my earlier comment so I'm not sure why you're pointing it out to me again.
I don't really think you did - you said they exist but you attitude amounted to "if the maintainer can't be bothered to say hi the package/project doesn't matter". I think this is far off the mark because of the volume of those packages in dependency chains.
That's not what I said at all.
Yes, some finished projects have lots of projects that depend on them.
And of course lots of abandoned projects also have projects that depend on them. So it's not clear what your point is.
hum, what defines "activity"?
because I can set a CRON job to create tags artificially or pushing empty commits and "bon appétit" 😈
More seriously, the costs are probably too high and they did not anticipate that. From the Ux perspective, it's kinda bad to downgrade the service, but I guess they don't have the financial power of GitHub/Microsoft.
It's right there in the linked article:
Looks like an okay definition of active. Although deleting really seems a little drastic. I guess they might also test the waters and see how the community reacts. Even if they increase the time period for dormant projects they still might end up saving a significant share of their hosting cost.
A tiny shell script called by a simple cron job should suffice
Interesting move...
I've been thinking about a less centralised code sharing/socialising mechanism for a while and it looks like Gitea are heading the the right direction, providing an open source self-hosted equivalent to Git[lab/hub], Bitbucket, Codeberg, etc. but crucially, now looking to support ActivityPub based federation between instances, even with other software forge providers (like Gitllab!) - you can fork to your own instance, and issue PR's back again, federate social aspects (issues, discussions, wiki), user identities are global...
"Federated Git Hosting"
I like the idea!
The naive interpretation is that all solid, working projects will disappear over time because nobody's found any bugs in them. That can't be the intention.
You don't need to suddenly abandon GitLab if it's what you like, but the nature of git is that it's distributed. You can add remotes on other hosts without causing conflicts; you can use GitHub as a backup for GitLab if you like.
For people worried that they'll lose their work - you're storing it on someone else's computer, so that's always a possibility. Bitbucket could have an outage that loses your data, GitHub could terminate your project because it's anti-something-microsoft-supports if they feel like it... That's what the cloud is.
The problem with projects depending on small utilities that disappear sounds like it's putting the real problem in the spotlight: why are we using a version control system to distribute software?
Hey Ben wanted to make sure you saw this tweet from GitLab.
Glad they updated. I'd hate to lose inactive repos. Even if I'm not using it I might want to refer back to that old code for a current project.
hmmmmm guess I need to move my projects elsewhere.
Ever since I read this article stating their weird PEO policy (fart in venezuelan spanish hahaha) dev.to/luismejiadev/renuncie-a-mi-... I've been kinda HMMMM with them as a brand/company, this might be the actual push to finally get a github account and move some of my repos there. I've been reluctant cause I like the fox logo (I'm a simple panda) and being a bit of a hipster.
oh well!
They updated the article--they've scrapped the plan and are considering moving inactives to slower storage instead.
When 100 years later, I believe we will not able to serve all Git repositories people have created for 100 years in the current architecture of GitLab. More intelligent tiering (like Amazon S3) should be required within a decade.
In the first reaction, their communicator should use the term "archived project" for example.
disclaimer: while I am in Core team, not affiliated with GitLab (company)
Smacks of a desperate move by a company which might be (just a wild guess) financially unhealthy, otherwise I wouldn't know why they'd do something like this ...
If you want to advertise to the world "we're not trustworthy and not reliable as a company", then this is the perfect way to do it. No, this is a terrible idea, and the very best way to lose existing customers, and scare away potential new ones.
Well anyway, to be honest the advantage of GitLab over Github has always eluded me.
I believe it's an inconvenience rather than a problem
I understand both the inconvenience and the overall feeling of "My code will not be safe", but if all it takes for me to have free code and page hosting, a free package registry, a free container registry and free CI/CD run time for a project is to write a comment once a year, is not a problem nor much effort (for both my projects and projects that I want to keep around).
We should also point out that they are open source. They are giving their most valuable asset free for all, from individuals to large organizations to host their own instances instead of forcing everyone to use their cloud services.
Of course, it'd be nice to see a cold-storage option (as @khalyomed noted), but I don't plan to help the community by writing it anytime soon. So I don't expect it to get done. Even if we know that notifications are not really enough as we've seen with SSL and domain name expiration examples.
For people questioning their economic status, they seem to go pretty well actually ir.gitlab.com/news-releases/news-r..., but a million USD is a million USD and it doesn't feel quite right to demand someone else to pay for services so I can use them for free (and without any effort).
Probably I should also note that I don't currently use GitLab, but I was using it quite a lot and I do care to keep code that I don't actively maintain alive. I also believe it's the best alternative
They're not planning to do that anymore after the backlash.
GitLab U-turns on deleting dormant projects after backlash
I think that's a really bad idea. There are a lot of projects that are historically relevant that don't need new issues, comments or commits -- look at the Github repos containing projects like Spacewar with source code dating back to 1962, or old versions of Unix tools, or the early K&R C compiler from over 40 years ago.
The motivation behind Gitlab's plan is understandable, but I don't like it. Code doesn't "expire" if you stop updating it.
It depends a lot on what constitutes a "dormant" project (and in turn, the abuse mechanisms to mark repos as non-dormant even though they would technically be dormant...), but in general I suspect the result is going to be a lot of disgruntled users who switch over to GitHub or self-hosted instead.
I've been a big fan of Gitlab since years - actually the oldest post on my blog is the one from 2013 about installing Gitlab instance. But their recent decisions and marketing is... weird and disheartening for me. I'm not leaving them yet, although I feel a bit less secure about hosting some of my code there.
Besides, it's really hard for me to understand what are the real cost of hosting non-active repositories (unless they are huge). Sounds like a flaw in their architecture.
When I was studying this was the only cloud source provider who has free private repos. So all of my old college projects are on there which I fondly look back on. Really don’t want to see them go as they show how far I‘ve come
Hello Benhalpern,
Thanks for informing the community.
I don't have a GitLab account.
Nevertheless, I have a GitHub account and to give an opinion I will imagine that GitHub deletes dormant projects.
I personally wouldn't like that since I use my repositories as an (open) archive.
However, I'm not aware of all types of existing repositories, so there might be repositories that could usefully be deleted.
I reach for GitLab often for side projects, but this makes me consider self hosting gitea instead and migrating over there... Especially if netlify and other deployment solutions support arbitrary git repos (idk if they do or not, and there are quite a few other solutions I need to explore)
Who wants to be strong-armed into constant maintenance or deletion? What if a project has just reached a certain EOL and you want it for archival purposes?
Either GitLab will find new management who sees the value in code, whether actively maintained or not, or people will just jump ship.
They obviously aren't innovating enough to keep themselves relevant.
Honestly, I can't see why not just move the unmaintained projects to GitHub. Despite what people say about GitHub at times, and perhaps Microsoft's willingness to train AI copilots on other people's open-source, it seems that the code itself is the currency engine that drives it, and they don't seem to have issues w/ code archival.
Or use both (and include BitBucket if you can stand their UI... ...)
It seems that GitHub is the most polished and seems to offer the best all-around tooling, though I haven't really used GitLab in years.
Well, just when I thought I'd use gitlab as a mirror for my projects 😂
Better go find an alternative now 👀
I guess sr.ht and codeberg.org is the only public dumpster for FOSS now. Sometimes you want to dump your prototype on somewhere other than github. Especially after participating a gamejam or hackathon.
Do they have a plan to avoid breaking things, like making it read-only or something, or is it just YOLO let's break the internet?
I'm not sure
texhas seen any commits in the last yearI think if the inactive repositories where nothing happens incur such costs on them, making them read-only won't change a lot. So yeah, they will be effectively breaking the internet potentially.
That is very interesting. I haven’t used GitLab for years.
Ooooohhh. Sheeeesh. 😬
How stupid it is . I will never use gitlab again.
Will not be using thier service's ever.
looks too harsh
Been a while since I checked my GitLab account I recall transferring some of my GitHub repos over there back when nobody knew what Microsoft was going to do with GitHub.
Probably good for the environment. As long as this kind of thing is done thoughtfully with principles of least surprise, it's probably a good norm in a lot of cases.
Is GitLab going to delete inactive projects from its free tier? dry needling physical therapy