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At first I installed linux mint,
Then I started distro hop to ubuntu, opensuse, popos, manjaro, later I heard about Vanilla Arch
and installed it, Finally a distro that impressed me a lot, and I've never thought about hopping anymore.
But I still hop desktop managers and window managers, but I use i3wm as my daily driver.
I also tried several desktop managers on Ubuntu, but the KDE seems to suit my needs pretty well.
Yeah kde is good, it gives good alternative to windows desktop
Yes, indeed!
Xfce desktop is simple and fast. Next preferred Cinammom
Never really tried KDE for at least 5 years. What was your impression, especially of customization and bloatlessness?
The customization is pretty cool and you do a lot of things, but I find that it can be quite resource consuming compared to GNOME. The KDE Plasma looks really good compared to GNOME and there are a lot of themes that offer different features and widgets as well.
Kde will become more hungry when you start it customize a lot, I don't know about recent updates,
That is true, I'e only tried KDE on machines with a lot of resources.
What was your impression of Arch? I have never tried it at all. I am currently on Manjaro, though.
Vanilla Arch is know for its simplicity and extremely lightweight distro, basically you are building you own system,
Installation will be fun, people often say they reinstalled many times, but i have installed it only once still using it,
You can customize it however you want, this is the only distro welcomes you with an terminal
The only thing I hate is it leaves back the config files and folders after you remove the package 😑
If you wanna give it try, then these steps might help you,
Iso will be somewhere around 700mb, and installation will be like 1gb or so.
But, is it really different from Ubuntu mini / server? Is it more stable / updated?
Thanks for sharing it, Krishna! I will check this out.
Yes it is different from ubuntu mini,
I've never used any servers, bcz it's an bleeding edge, but people won't suggest Arch Linux on server, bcz the libraries very much often refresh and update almost a day, so sometimes some projects might get issues, so they often stick with centOs or ubuntuLTS or etc,
But arch is stable until unless we mess it up by downloading whatever stuff from unauthorised sites.
It has an awesome package manager yay or pacman. Install any software from terminal.
Hmm not much of data will be consumed, except vanilla arch rest all I have used comes with pre installed stuff, so the iso will be around 1.9 to 2.6 or higher, they will be heavy bloated,
Vanilla arch iso is like 700mb or so, but this thing only greets you with terminal, after booting into the iso you have to download the stuff which will be around 700 - 800 mb, later it depends on the desktop or window managers size, somewhere from 25mb - 400mb
So vanilla arch will comes around less than 2gb,
But it's an extremely lightweight distro, you can also make it bloated like others or more, bcz there are tons of support from pacman and aur repos
But the time taken will be depended on your network speed and SSD or hard drive speed, if you have a good wifi or network speed it won't take more than 10 min or less to configure, hard drive takes longer time to configure or open few packages, SSD makes it quick
No I haven't seen any crash till now, it completely depends on the packages you install, if you install from an unauthorised repos it will crash on new update,
I'm using Pop!_OS because it "just works" with my notebook's NVidia VGA (Dell XPS 9570 with Geforce 1050ti), but I'm a big fan of Elementary OS, it's really simple and very clean out of the box. Unfortunately, I tried eOS and it was really hard to set up the VGA and it was draining the battery like crazy, so I've moved to Pop and it's working great.
Another thing I noticed on Pop is that it handles things like changing to external monitors and plugging in a headset a little better, it displays an overlay on the screen to select which kind of headset you plugged in, and it's really nice.
I've always wanted to try Pop_OS and Elementary OS. Thanks for the extra info on the external monitors, because with my Ubuntu it sometimes requires a reboot in order the monitors to be detected (I'm using a docking station as wel)
I'm using a docking station too. I didn't have any problems with monitors not detecting, but I've noticed that when I boot up neither eOS nor Pop_OS remembers the setup, so I always have to hit Ctrl + P to change to the external monitor, but it's not something big for me.
Yes this does not sound like a big issue, as long as it can detect the monitors :D
Checkout deepin it is awesome
deepin is indeed awesome!
I've been using Debian for about 15 years.
Pros: The projects management has been consistent for decades, the releases are about as frequent as the LTS releases of Ubuntu (roughly every two years), there's a lot of documentation both from the project and available on sites like stack overflow, and they're conservative in changes without being a retrocomputing project. The number one pro in my book however is the maintainability through upgrades, and the security that this project will not get abandoned (there are a lot of people using and contributing to the debian project, and the available and tested package set grows every time they release). The
build-depfeature of apt is amazing (if you wanted to build a program from source, there are a lot of libraries and tools you'll need, and you could discover this by running./configureuntil it stops failing,apt-get build-dep somepackagewill install for you all the tools the system required to build the package, saving a ton of trial and error and frustration).Cons: You probably won't have built in support for things you want, like laptop wifi or newer video cards (and for a lot of users that can be a total blocker). The debian project sticks to its position and doesn't include (by default) non-free binary drivers for these items, and many of the laptop wifi and newer video cards either don't have a linux driver at all or only work with a vendor supplied binary driver blob. Also, while it's certainly not intentionally ugly, they don't invest a lot of time window-dressing the UI (so you probably won't have the fanciest desktop theme when you login).
I used Fedora at work for about 7 or 8 years (Fedora 18 through 33), it worked well and tended to have much newer versions of software (releases about every 6 months, on par with Ubuntu's release cadence), but the downside was less documentation/mindshare, and a feeling like you were beta-testing RedHat's next product line for them. As a linux user, rather than a linux developer, I'm totally happy letting the next generation of improvements get debugged on someone else's machine.
My experience with Linux has been that once you find something you understand how to control yourself, you will no longer need to go distro-hopping. Early on linux users tend to install a lot of different distributions and window managers to see what's possible and experience a curated set of defaults. Feel free to experiment, but focus on developing the skill and knowledge to see something you want, and find out how they did it, then do it for yourself. You'll save a lot of time installing new OS's if you configure the one you have installed already.
Totally agree. I use Fedora since version 15. Before that, I tried many other distros (Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS, Slax, and others). Once I decided to stay on Fedora and learned it, it just feels easier to configure it the way I like. I feel I'm in control of my OS when using Fedora, and I think that is the main reason to use Linux first of all.
I've never used Fedora on my laptops or PC, but I've used it for work-related projects and I liked it because of the latest packages.
lol, I was distro hopping from about 10 years ago; and then macOS user for some time.
Now, I am back to Linux and want something that "just works", and I can spend time on, rather than just hopping.
I had got best impression on Ubuntu and Xfce, and decided to settle with it, Xubuntu actually. (I did use Elementary OS and Ubuntu with GNOME / Mate as well, but did not settle.)
Lack of official desktop env support, and bad Wifi driver anyway, I am now on Manjaro with official Xfce. (And now Wifi driver works.)
I've spent most of my time using Ubuntu 18.04 and Kubuntu 18.04/20.04, I've also tested few Linux flavours on my Raspberries which were fun and interesting to configure at the same time.
Thank you for the detailed response. I also agree with you that if you find the right distro and you can control the flow, there is no need to use another one in case you just want to try it out I guess.
I'm using Fedora, because I'm already used to it.
Back in the time I started using Linux, I was testing many distros, but they all looked almost the same (GNOME 2 with different themes). Then GNOME 3 came out and it looked really good, very different from what I've seen before. I tested it with Fedora 15 Alpha. Being an Alpha version, I expected some issues, but I was surprised because it was very stable.
Since then, I only use Fedora as my desktop (currently with XFCE). For me, at least, it "just works" most of the time and, in the few cases that I experience some problems, I know exactly where to look for solutions.
I tried to avoid GNOME 3 / Unity, though. I found it less customizable. MATE is OK-ish, but currently on XFCE.
That's my reason to get away from Ubuntu.
At the moment I've tried KDE on Ubuntu that was my choice instead of the GNOME
Do you often seek advice in the community or some other forum?
I usually find the answers already in Ask Fedora. But it depends on the package. For NVIDIA drivers, for example, the RPM Fusion wiki is the place to go when looking for common problems.
Thanks for sharing this!
I moved away from Linux to FreeBSD a few years back, because FreeBSD offers a greater degree of freedom. :) There isn't fights over licensing restrictions as you get in the GPL world. As such, things like ZFS and Dtrace from Sun Microsystems is the norm and default included as part of the base operating system. Jails are also a more secure and more powerful form of containerization compared to Linux cgroups, as they work more like full virtualization but still use a shared kernel and set of resources. FreeBSD also has the Linuxulator for running Linux binaries natively. The Ports Collection with FreeBSD is by far and away the easiest way to compile and package 3rd party software. All around, for the work I do, it has cut down administrative time considerably while offering better performance and reliability compared to Linux.
I've used FreeBSD but only on job-related servers and not on my personal servers that I use. FreeBSD indeed offers more freedom and people can take advantage of a lot of features.
Please elaborate. I'd like to learn, and choose my next distro. (Maybe between Fedora, Arch, FreeBSD.)
It basically depends on what you're planning to do. I'll be quite happy to try out Arch and see how it will go with the time. Fedora is considered as the bleeding edge, however a lot of people say it is stable enough so this might be a suitable option as well.
Feel free to ask anything you'd like to know.
FreeBSD isn't Linux based at all, but most userland utilities are the same. One major thing is FreeBSD doesn't use Docker or Linux based containers, instead using its own Jails system. I personally use iocage as my Jails manager, which makes things easier.
Jails on FreeBSD act more like a traditional virtual machine, where they get their own "filesystem" (a dataset from ZFS on the host), and optionally their own complete independent network stack via VNET. This means you can do things like DHCP client within a Jail to get its IP address, SSH into the jail, install any networking or other utilities, and they all "just work" without fussing around. With changing some security flags, you can even install VPN clients inside a Jail too.
For things like databases, Jails are nearly perfect! With persistent and direct access to the storage system, these high performance applications run at native speed, and act exactly as you'd expect them to if they were running on bare metal (because they essentially are, but within a security isolated environment)
I use Ubuntu latest in servers but always working in Windows why would you want work on Linux?!
Because, in my opinion, programming on Windows is such a massive pain in the ass to do simple things such as trying to set up SSH keys in a meaningful way.
I know WSL2 exists but that eats 30GB of RAM (somehow) and just doesn't work for well for me and if I see one more error stating I need admin permissions to delete
node_modulesorvendorI'm going to scream.With Linux all these pain points just don't exist and with Docker everything just becomes a breeze.
It eats 8GB of RAM for my 16GB laptop though.
Also, it seems that it's known issue, and RAM hogging can be somehow turned off.
I have the issue it eats the 8GB for my 8GB RAM laptop :D
I agree with @rvxlab on the resources point here, WSL2 does not work well on machines with low hardware resources. Windows in general does not like it :D
I have a lot of less RAM on my Windows PC with the WSL2 setup however, so far I haven't got any issues with it. Usually Chromium "eats" the memory and cause issues.
I find it really userful to work on a Linux machine as Linux System Administrator and DevOps Engineer, i can perform simple tasks locally where WSL will not come handy to me. This is basically the short answer here, I can go for more details.
Why not Debian stable in servers?
I also heard some people like CentOS on servers for some reasons.
CentOS is great is for servers, easpecially for web hosting, just because some contol panels like cPanel are supported only on CentOS for the moment.
Cuz window eats lot of my laptop's 8gb rams 😅
True :D :D
Do you use the 20.04 LTS or some other version?
My first distro was elementary I loved it a lot and after breaking apt for many times (because of dependency errors) I decided to make a switch then I found Arch gave it a try I was totally in love with it's simplicity, One of the biggest thing I love about Arch is AUR (Arch user repository) is very big almost every software that is made for linux can be found here. Now I don't have to worry about packages anymore
I have got bad experience with pgadmin4-5.1 not exists in AUR, though.
It exists in community repository
It's outdated, though.
Yes, eventually there will be a package that won't be included in the repository. What matters is you'll have the backbone of packages that you need available in the repo.
Thanks for sharing this. I've seen that a lot of users share the same experience with AUR.
I've been using the stable branch of Debian for about 9 months now, it's been a nice experience. Having relatively old packages is not as bad as some people say. Most of the tools I use for web development work just fine with the version in the official repositories. That said, there are some "non-essential" cli tools that I like to have on their latest version, and for that I use homebrew for linux.
I've never used homebrew for Linux, just on macOS. I'll check it out and see if there are some cool and useful features
I started my journey with Sabayon Linux way back. I tried many Linux Distro. but i stick with few of them like Ubuntu, fedora and Elementary.
Currently I am using Elementary as i found its speed up my multi-tasking. But currently i am planning to check feasibility of Arch Linux for day to day work.
Did you choose Elementary because it's also macOS look-alike or not?
Yes it also one of the reason as I also have MAC for office work & it feels seamless transition for me.
Yep, I also feel the same about ElementaryOS. Thanks for sharing this!
I'm using Arco Linux. It's an easier to install Arch based Distro. comes by default with all the software I need to use right away and has all the benefits of arch like quick updates, extremely good performance and the AUR
Thanks for sharing this!
Well, my story in Linux started in Fedora 11 around 2009 and in that Linux wasn't a pleasant UX as is today and since then I kept using Windows until last year in January.
Before I started using Linux again, I was completly afraid using this OS because my main fear was that I could make my PC useless (misinformation mainly) and before starting using a Linux OS I trained using Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL).
After that and losing the fear using the console I installed Ubuntu 18.04 and was great for me, then 20.04 and since then I started to look for the best user experiencie distro that I could find.
I used Linux Mint and was great; awesome hardware support and felt like Windows, but that was the problem, I didn't what something like Windows, I wanted something with a unique UX, so I returned to Ubuntu again for around 8 months (because I like it Gnome and how felt) until I got the curiosity to Pop! OS.
And now I can say with security Pop! OS is my main distro because:
I'm eager to test Pop 21.04 with COSMIC DE and i'm sure i'm not the only one who likes a lot PopOs over any other distro.
Thanks for sharing this! I'm planning to test Pop! OS in the next few weeks!
I’m exploring various distros with Oracle VB . As of now , I’ve used Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mate and Linux Mint .
Which one do you like the most?
Between Ubuntu Mate and Linux Mint , both are great but I would use ubuntu mate over Linux Mint .
Have you tried other distros?
I’m planning on trying out , PoP OS , Elementary OS and Zorin OS . I’m exploring the software and am not using them for any specific use as you’ve mentioned that you used KED and CentOS for your servers
It's fun to experiment with different Linux distros, plus you can always interact with different flavours of it in your day to day job. It's up to you which suits your needs for your personal machines.
CentOS is all I've used for years, since around the time of RHEL 3.
But now with recent changes I don't know what I'll use as my default server OS. I do less with full VMs nowadays anyway. Ubuntu is often the base of many images I use in docker space.
I don't use Linux as a dev desktop environment though as I find the Desktop experience just poor. Don't get me wrong, before MacOS came out, I was a diehard Fedora desktop and dev environment user. With blackbox/fluxbox as a window manager. But once MacOS came out and gave me *nix underneath a very nice desktop experience, there was no looking back.
With the recent CentOS changes, I'm also keen to switch from it and move to Ubuntu. MacOS is great for a work computer and do your coding there plus it is really powerfull to do other projects too.
Linux Mint, it "just works" and I'm fine with it.
Yes, it is a really simple and good choice for Windows users as their first Linux distro.
Regolith.
All the cool stuff from i3, none of the hassle from Arch.
I am currently on Manjaro.
And, I don't get why non-Debian, like Fedora, BSD?
I haven't used Manjaro yet. Are there any specific features that you find useful and also absent from other distros?
Rolling release?
Arch, btw
Ubuntu 20.04 and sometimes manjaro
Sounds great! Which one do you prefer?
After hopping around a lot, I have found my happy place in Manjaro KDE, using it for almost 4 years now. <3
KDE is really cool on Ubuntu, I guess it is pretty nice on Manjaro as well.
ubuntu Budgie LTS
Have you tried other distros?
Manjaro with KDE. My mom has also been using it for about two years. Still haven't converted my stepdad yet.
Great job you've done here! I hope you'll conver your dad to the "dark" side too. :D
Arch + Gnome
Cycled through many WM/desktops and distributions. Finally settled in and I see no reason to change again.
A lot of people say that they find Fedore stable despite its been described as the bleeding edge for all the packages and software which can sometimes cause issues to configure your enviroment.
I use more arch and arch-based distros in my day life but on the server I choose Ubuntu LTS. Btw, I think Arch Linux on Windows WSL has a great experience.
I use WSL as well, but it feels like I also need to have it as a standalone setup without Windows.
youbntu 😂
I believe you find all the tools you need using the Ubuntu terminal. I'll still prefer to have a Linux Desktop too, but WSL is a great alternative.