Just out of interest, have you used Laravel specifically? It has clean abstractions over all the raw hated stuff. Sure it can't get rid of all its flaws but it does a pretty good job at keeping it at a minimum.
I'm not saying that Laravel is bad per se but given the burden of PHP legacy and all the things that Laravel will never be able to do while you get all of that for free with Django or any other decent web framework, I think that starting a PHP project today is not a rational choice.
Well, PHP 7.X I looked and used when forced to do PHP, but I didn't had quite a chance look at PHP 8 so far.
My feelings so far would be like:
You're telling me that PHP still didn't have str_contains, str_starts_with etc? Also don't get me started on naming conventions.
get_debug_type() because apparently gettype() wasn't good enough, although let's keep it for confusion. Also, what the fuck? The type is the type right?
Attributes... While it could have been a way to bring meta-programming to PHP or allow patterns like Python decorators do, it's just a way to do the same thing as what already is done in doc blocks, except this time you get a fancy unreadable syntax. Yay.
Overall, when I read the release notes of a nice language I'm like "oh that's neat" and when I do this with PHP I'm like "that's neat... ish... wait wat".
I don't understand why you would lose your time with a language that still by default is just a gigantic print of the file's content, where you can fuck up an entire API with just a single misplaced space or where you still have to code your own module system every single time. Yes it's getting better but what is the point of polishing a turd while you can have diamonds for free?
Node being shit for back-end dev doesn't make PHP good, though
Just out of interest, have you used Laravel specifically? It has clean abstractions over all the raw hated stuff. Sure it can't get rid of all its flaws but it does a pretty good job at keeping it at a minimum.
I'm not saying that Laravel is bad per se but given the burden of PHP legacy and all the things that Laravel will never be able to do while you get all of that for free with Django or any other decent web framework, I think that starting a PHP project today is not a rational choice.
have you seen what's coming with php 8 or the improvements of php7.X?
Well, PHP 7.X I looked and used when forced to do PHP, but I didn't had quite a chance look at PHP 8 so far.
My feelings so far would be like:
str_contains,str_starts_withetc? Also don't get me started on naming conventions.get_debug_type()because apparentlygettype()wasn't good enough, although let's keep it for confusion. Also, what the fuck? The type is the type right?Overall, when I read the release notes of a nice language I'm like "oh that's neat" and when I do this with PHP I'm like "that's neat... ish... wait wat".
I don't understand why you would lose your time with a language that still by default is just a gigantic print of the file's content, where you can fuck up an entire API with just a single misplaced space or where you still have to code your own module system every single time. Yes it's getting better but what is the point of polishing a turd while you can have diamonds for free?
Preach!