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We believe in open-source, so why can't everyone code?

sublimegeek profile image Jonathan Irvin ・1 min read

This crossed our team's slack channel this morning. Nothing really was said about it, but I felt it needed to be addressed.

Internet Trolls Make Fun Of This Victoria’s Secret Model For Saying She Can Code, Get Shut Down With Perfect Reply

The short of it is, people couldn't believe that a model can code. This should make everyone a little sick to your stomach. That's right.

We need to have a talk, developers.

Here we have an accomplished individual who is highly regarded on StackOverflow, has done video tutorials for kids along with Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg on Code.org, according to BoredPanda.

Who, also happens to be a model. If anything, the lesson here is she is not only a fashion model, but she is also a model for developers all over the world.

Our idea, our image, of what a developer is, should be open-source. It should be undefined, it should not be strictly-typed. This is a problem the industry faces as a whole and we need to constantly call it out until it's no longer an issue.

We, as a society, thrive on strength by diversity in gender, race, and creed.

We are brothers and sisters forged in code. If you have trouble accepting that, you need to refactor your beliefs.

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Alain Van Hout

There's an entire Disney movie about this topic ratatouille

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Richard Burk

From what movie? I would love to watch this one 😁

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Richard Burk

Thank you so much! ❀️

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Jonathan Irvin Author

My wife was just talking about this!

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Jason C. McDonald

One of my all-time favorite movies.

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tux0r

While I agree with the fact that developers are not recognizable from their look (I know some more examples), it is still wrong to assume that anyone can write code. The sad fact is that very few people are developers.

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Isaac Lyman

I worry about the optics of "very few people are developers" if it risks making inexperienced or alternate-path devs feel like they're not part of the in-crowd. Correctness aside, I feel that it's more beneficial to start with "everyone can code" and make exceptions as needed, rather than to start with "only a few elite people can code" and vaguely rule out some number of capable people by default.

I'm a big fan of the "normal developer." In an industry as saturated with apps and ideas as the one we're in, not everyone needs to be a NASA-qualified TDD zealot who knows big-O notation and can balance a binary tree. In fact, it seems like the market demands a larger number of copy-and-paste, code-gluing, hack-until-it-works scrappers.

All the same, you're totally right that we shouldn't assume everyone should be a dev. Not everyone enjoys this kind of work.

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Jonathan Irvin Author

Not everyone enjoys this kind of work.

I know, you have to have a sick mind to enjoy debugging javascript. ;)

I'm a big fan of the "normal developer."

Me too. You can move mountains with a team of passionate, average folks, than a handful of rock stars with biased opinions.

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Jonathan Irvin Author

I disagree. The sad fact is there are people who are missing out on the opportunity to code because of the environment as-a-whole.

Or worse, people who make the effort to learn to code, only to be shut down by people who have this mindset of only certain types of people can code.

Taking away superficiality, if a person has the qualifications and the personality, what's holding them back?

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tux0r

Nothing is holding them back. :-) But I think we should stop assuming that everyone should be a developer.

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Debashis Dip

Agreed, At University as I am seeing right now most of the students rolling into software or CSE dept is because of the current glorified state of the computer industry. Some of them hate to learn new things and problem-solving as a whole. Thinking between changing the major or just hanging out as see where it goes.

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Evan Oman

Nothing is holding them back

Jonathan just pointed out two things holding people back:

The sad fact is there are people who are missing out on the opportunity to code because of the environment as-a-whole.

Not all people have the right circumstances to commit time to learning to code.

Or worse, people who make the effort to learn to code, only to be shut down by people who have this mindset of only certain types of people can code.

Prejudiced mindsets can easily discourage fledgling engineers.

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Mihail Malo

@alainvanhout said it perfectly:

There's an entire Disney movie about this topic ratatouille

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Dan

I would tend to disagree. Anyone can be a developer but not everyone is a software engineer. With the distinction around the discipline. The software development world is multi-variate. I've seen some great developers but they lack architectural disciplines or focus completely on optimization and less on maintainability.

I generally bucket software developers and software engineers into two buckets with a gradient of from one to the other demarcated by discipline and craftsmanship. I don't think skill or ability to mentor necessarily plays into their growth, although at the extremes, it does.

I think every entry level software maker is a developer with a very narrow focus towards solving problems. As their skills, scope and ability grow, they become more senior. However, if they science their way through development and grow in skill and discipline, the are actually leveraging engineering qualities.

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tux0r

So where do you draw the line between "coders" and "developers"?

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Dan

I usually don't, unless its a medical transcription term (I work in healthcare). I think if I had to draw a venn diagram of the roles, a coder and a junior dev are the same. How one would identify doesn't really matter to me when I'd hire for that role. If a person said, "I'm a coder" and they applied for a more senior position, I'd also lean towards asking if they a mentor as well or where they see themselves. If they do more, they are more but they may be underselling themselves.

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tux0r

I see. In this case, this is merely a misunderstanding: What you call "developers" is what I call "coders" - because they aren't really deeply involved in the concept of what they "code".

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Jonathan Irvin Author

I'm not saying that everyone should code, I'm saying anyone can be a programmer. If you want to start learning to code, just do it and the world should be open to it.

I'm not talking about the desire to be a programmer or to be a problem solver.

My main point is that we shouldn't disqualify someone as a programmer due to race, gender, sexual orientation, creed, etc. It's discrimination, plain and simple.

What I like about the article above is pointing out the blatant disregard for her credibility because she's female and a model. That's not right.

We should collectively be "open-source" to the idea that, yes, anyone can code.

It doesn't matter if your parents weren't Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

It doesn't matter if you attended this school or that school.
It doesn't matter if you came from a code camp vs self-taught vs a 4-year university.

That is my point.

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Felix Pojtinger

"Bill Gates or Steve Jobs"
"Open Source"
Something doesn't seem right.
(I know that's not the point, but some Stallman is missing here)

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M. Shemayev

We are brothers and sisters forged in code. If you have trouble accepting that, you need to refactor your beliefs.

I sort of love everything about this.

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Juan F Gonzalez

My thoughts exactly

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Ross Henderson

Personally, I want to see more diversity in the development world. If we leave the equality argument to the side and that's a sensitive subject, I simply believe we should welcome as many points-of-views and ways of problem-solving. A woman was instrumental in creating the computer that cracked the Enigma code. Without her, we may have lost months of time and 10's of thousands of deaths. The fact this discussion is still going is ridiculous.

Don't question peoples abilities based on what they look like, judge them on how they approach the problem and solve it.

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Jason C. McDonald

Amen! Well said!