re: what bothers you the most of being a programmer? VIEW POST


The lack of women in the profession after growing up with a mom who was #womenintech


Yeah, that is so shitty. Hopefully we can reverse the trend for the next generation.


I grew up in a NASA family so looking around in the 80s at corporate events I knew my parents worked with so many women. I thought it was the norm in science. Then I went to an engineering school and in my freshman year the ratio of men to women was 7:1. No idea why women aren’t attracted to the profession. Some of the first computer scientists were women and from what I understand in the beginning of computing men wanted little to do with the job. Half a century ago computer science was a very different thing, but that in itself doesn’t explain it.

That is a very interesting thing to think about. I don't understand it either. Maybe in male chauvinist countries is understandable the low ratio situation due to discrimination. But here in USA(where I live), it is weird to still see that huge difference in numbers. In my classes like 90% are men. I have no clue about why it is like that in first-world countries as well. Speaking of NASA, it reminded me of one of my favorite movies that touches on this subject from gender/racial perspective: Hidden Figures.

I feel like it used to be a "women's job" due to it being a backend war job, just how men used to go to the frontlines and women and children would work the factories making ammunition and supplies.
Then, in peaceful times, women chose less misanthropic pursuits than STEM.


Unfortunately, not just in coding, but in every mathy-engineeringish field !


Just from my personal life experience, women overall just seem less interested in IT-related stuff. Some say this is genetic, others say it's purely social conditioning, but whichever is right, it doesn't seem like a big deal as long as people are happy with what they are doing, and IT seems to be one of those fields where skill really is all that matters.


"IT seems to be one of those fields where skill really is all that matters." Yes and no. I love that based on skill and not a college degree, I received opportunities to learn and work in IT. Sadly though, you can still find a woman and a man suggesting the same idea and it's the man who receives the praise.

Well, yeah, those cases suck. Can't argue with that. But have you looked into other professions? IT is, compared to many other jobs, on average very fair and meritocratic.

The line of what is and isn't skill is rather blurred.
Where do soft skills like communicating your ideas, teaching, and working in a team end and forthright bullshit like workplace politics begins?

Those soft skills are ultimately just secondary skills you need to be god at your job, but won't directly help you getting the job itself done. If I had to choose between employing someone who's good at programming and someone who sucks at it but is better at communicating, I'd go with the first one 10 out of 10 times.

It needs a balance.
Obviously you can't hire someone who is a poor programmer for a programming position.
But if they are a 0 on the soft skills, you will end up with a system no one can understand in the future.
Frankly, it will not even suit the business as talking to the domain experts is as big a part of development as writing code.

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