Yes, and being an active user of Slack and other popular messaging applications makes the odd always-on approach of WhatsApp and Signal feel tedious and outdated.
I'd trade that with privacy anytime, my phone is always on anyway :) But it's okay to have different opinions.
I wouldn't also promote WhatsApp to be more secure than Telegram due to their tight coupling with Facebook but that's a whole another discussion.
Telegram promised since at least March 2014 that "all code will be released eventually", including all the various client applications (Android, iOS, desktop, etc.) and the server-side code.[134] As of March 2019, Telegram still hasn't published their server-side source code.[135][136] Publishing the server-side code would allow anyone to audit the server's code and verify that it works correctly and handles user data securely, instead of relying on Telegram's claims that it's indeed secure.
So no, I don't trust Telegram :)
WhatsApp isn't perfect (Facebook mines metadata, which says a lot even without having access to the content) but the security protocol is solid. If they decide to weaken it to mine text messages I'll consider moving on to something else :)
iMessage is another service with e2e by default and always on, unfortunately Apple has no interest in creating clients for other platforms.
They have open-sourced their client library, though, along with their official clients so I would count that as positive. I agree that details regarding server implementation should be released as well but neither have any of the major competitors done so (correct me if I'm wrong).
Cross-platform library for building Telegram clients
TDLib
TDLib (Telegram Database library) is a cross-platform library for building Telegram clients. It can be easily used from almost any programming language.
Cross-platform: TDLib can be used on Android, iOS, Windows, macOS, Linux, FreeBSD, Windows Phone, WebAssembly, watchOS, tvOS, Tizen, Cygwin. It should also work on other *nix systems with or without minimal effort.
Multilanguage: TDLib can be easily used with any programming language that is able to execute C functions. Additionally it already has native Java (using JNI) bindings and .NET (using C++/CLI and C++/CX) bindings.
Easy to use: TDLib takes care of all network implementation details, encryption and local data storage.
As for the peer-review, this is another odd argument which the majority of journalists tend to buy without any criticism at all. Anyone can take a look at this page and conduct their own review, and I believe most have. Yet many so-called "security experts" are rejecting this algorithm due to the fact that it's not the same that Signal uses which is... I don't even know what to say.
I admit to be a little defensive here but having followed discussion around Telegram for years where almost everytime people cite Edward Snowden's words about "use nothing else than Signal" makes me quite sceptic against the entire field of security. The root problem is, of course, today anyone can have a hot take on application security without comprehensive arguments and media will signal boost it without giving it even half a thought.
Feel free to continue as you were. I guess WhatsApp has stickers too? 🤞
It's 2019 but the rise of Slack, Discord, and other group chat apps shows that seamless usability is often more desired attribute than security for the masses. I can't fight them so I have joined them.
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I'd trade that with privacy anytime, my phone is always on anyway :) But it's okay to have different opinions.
I'm the last person to trust Facebook, but I trust peer reviewed encryption protocols. Telegram uses none by default as you said, and this is the current situation regarding security:
So no, I don't trust Telegram :)
WhatsApp isn't perfect (Facebook mines metadata, which says a lot even without having access to the content) but the security protocol is solid. If they decide to weaken it to mine text messages I'll consider moving on to something else :)
iMessage is another service with e2e by default and always on, unfortunately Apple has no interest in creating clients for other platforms.
They have open-sourced their client library, though, along with their official clients so I would count that as positive. I agree that details regarding server implementation should be released as well but neither have any of the major competitors done so (correct me if I'm wrong).
Cross-platform library for building Telegram clients
TDLib
TDLib (Telegram Database library) is a cross-platform library for building Telegram clients. It can be easily used from almost any programming language.
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TDLibhas many advantages. NotablyTDLibis:TDLibcan be used on Android, iOS, Windows, macOS, Linux, FreeBSD, Windows Phone, WebAssembly, watchOS, tvOS, Tizen, Cygwin. It should also work on other *nix systems with or without minimal effort.TDLibcan be easily used with any programming language that is able to execute C functions. Additionally it already has native Java (usingJNI) bindings and .NET (usingC++/CLIandC++/CX) bindings.TDLibtakes care of all network implementation details, encryption and local data storage.As for the peer-review, this is another odd argument which the majority of journalists tend to buy without any criticism at all. Anyone can take a look at this page and conduct their own review, and I believe most have. Yet many so-called "security experts" are rejecting this algorithm due to the fact that it's not the same that Signal uses which is... I don't even know what to say.
I admit to be a little defensive here but having followed discussion around Telegram for years where almost everytime people cite Edward Snowden's words about "use nothing else than Signal" makes me quite sceptic against the entire field of security. The root problem is, of course, today anyone can have a hot take on application security without comprehensive arguments and media will signal boost it without giving it even half a thought.
Ok, let's say Telegram e2e encryption is solid, the fact that it's not enabled by default it's still a no for me. It's 2019, come on.
Google tried to release a new messaging system without encryption and was blasted on day one.
The fact that we allow personal communication to go god knows where in clear just because they have better stickers is a no for me if I can avoid it.
I don't like that Slack is not encrypted or that email is not either. At least let me use one form of communication that is :-)
Feel free to continue as you were. I guess WhatsApp has stickers too? 🤞
It's 2019 but the rise of Slack, Discord, and other group chat apps shows that seamless usability is often more desired attribute than security for the masses. I can't fight them so I have joined them.