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Mihail Malo • Edited

Solid

Yeah, I'm totally pro-Solid. For years I've been inventing a Solid most days, sometimes a couple on a slow day. It's a very pragmatic approach to Web 3.0, without trying to shove a blockchain where it don't belong.
In the meantime, our "savior" social network can accept migrations from FB using these zips, using some data and keeping the rest around until it knows what to do with it. Can totally migrate to Solid or an alternative when it's available, and save on storage.

Well, we agree to disagree :-)

As often is the case, we can't really do that, can we? If we go along with the opinions of one of us, these companies will be forced to delete data they never promised to delete at gunpoint.
And if we go along with the opinions of the other, this data would be totally legal to keep, meaning the "right to oblivion" is being grossly violated.
In either case, one of us sees a crime (not a mere unpleasantry) being committed.

You realize that users aren't tech savvy like us, right?

"Oh no, I used a program without knowing the consequences. Someone please regulate something!" (No. You literally did this to yourself, the third party site owner didn't even record your actions and then donate them to Facebook (which in most situations would be totally legal), you did it.)

Would you prefer to live in a society where NO food safety laws existed?

Definitely. A stack of food producer + certification lab + shop is plenty for me. All I ever got from the government is rusty water, late disclosure of contaminations and infections "to not cause panic" and the legal recognition of ridiculous labels like "non-GMO" and "Organic" that allow selling objectively more dangerous foodstuffs at a higher markup. (More of that nice lobbying by entrenched companies.)

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rhymes

In either case, one of us sees a crime (not a mere unpleasantry) being committed.

I don't see it as a crime, I just hope people had a right to oblivion. Especially in a contest like Solid where you own your data :-)

"Oh no, I used a program without knowing the consequences. Someone please regulate something!"

Well, laws and rules also exist to protect people from their own bad judgement, it won't be the first time. Otherwise you wouldn't need moderation on social networks, because people are always the best version of themselves in any context, are they :D ?

Definitely. A stack of food producer + certification lab + shop is plenty for me. All I ever got from the government is rusty water, late disclosure of contaminations and infections "to not cause panic"

Tap water here in Milan is fine.

I don't know where you live on the planet but I'm glad in Europe we have stricter food laws then in the US for example. Don't tell me you've never heard of companies trying to sell severely expired or shit food to their customers. Your faith in the same companies that lobby for that ridicoulous "organic" label is weird to me.

Again, the regulations are not perfect but no regulations definitely wouldn't improve the quality of your food.

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Mihail Malo

I don't see it as a crime, I just hope people had a right

Then we are using different definitions of "a right".
When I say "a right" I mean something we all guarantee to each other, a fundamental invariant, something violating which would threaten the fabric of our society so much that we often come to the defense of the rights of third parties without immediate self-interest at stake. Most fundamentally for me that is property rights, since most if not all other rights such as self-defense, freedom of speech, etc, can be derived from property rights.

"It's not going to be the first time there is legal overreach"

Yeah, we should be abolishing those, not piling more on.

no regulations definitely wouldn't improve the quality of your food

Less costly but insufficient/irrelevant regulations will both lower operational costs for existing companies, and allow more new companies to enter the market.
This provides me with more variety to choose from, so that I can benefit from the highest quality (in my own opinion) and reward the companies providing it to me.

This is exactly what I mean when I say that IT regulations such as GDPR reinforce the position of gigantic entrenched companies like Facebook, which are essentially integrated with the government at this point, and snuff out any potential competition to them. Also a link lol.

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rhymes

Then we are using different definitions of "a right".
When I say "a right" I mean something we all guarantee to each other, a fundamental invarian

I know what a right is, I'm not talking about basic or fundamental human rights or rights guaranteed by countries's constitutions. I'm just using the common name for that concept: Right to be forgotten. It shouldn't be called like that, but I didn't invent it.

"It's not going to be the first time there is legal overreach"
Yeah, we should be abolishing those, not piling more on.

Not sure where you got that quote from :D

Less costly but insufficient/irrelevant regulations will both lower operational costs for existing companies, and allow more new companies to enter the market.

As I said, I don't think the system is perfect, but I think totally zero regulations is not the way to go. Less regulations or better regulations is fine by me.

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Mihail Malo • Edited

Gotcha. Can just never be sure, with demands for new real rights like "the right to have your demographic be represented in AAA media" and "the right to free healthcare" popping up almost every day.

protect people from their own bad judgement

Don't do dis. That's how you end up with criminalized prostitution, people smoking weed in their home incarcerated, and sweatshops closing down further reducing people's options to not starve.

I think totally zero regulations is not the way

We'll burn that bridge when we get to it. As long as we acknowledge the existing problem.