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or are you too new?

Apparently you are "too new" because the React.createClass() factory function was the standard way (2013-05-29) stateful React components were created before React supported the ES2015 class syntax.

At the time a constructor function would have been the standard way of implementing a template for creating objects. That would have supported prototypal inheritance out of the box but there were other inheritance schemes around (combination inheritance, parasitic inheritance and parasitic combination inheritance).

The entire point of class-free object orientation was to get away from inheritance and use composition exclusively.

But the truth is that inside a factory function the React team could do whatever they wanted. ES2015 classes weren't supported until 0.13 (2015-03-10) which finally introduced React.Component (but of course IE never supported ES2015 classes in the first place).

React.createClass() wasn't deprecated until React 16 (2017-09-26) and the factory function was relocated to create-react-class.



James Coplien
"How many of you do object-oriented programming? What language? Java is the only language in which you cannot do object-oriented programming. Huh? Other languages. Smalltalk - no. C# - no. Python - no. No. Any JavaScript programmers here? Here are my object-oriented programmers - they're writing objects - the rest of you are writing classes."

Teaching OO: Putting the Object back into OOD (2003)
"Almost everyone who teaches object orientation uses the class as a fundamental building block. Such an approach misses the central point of object orientation: the objects themselves, and what they portend for flexibility and effective design. This weblog is a case study in teaching object orientation."


Why OO Sucks by Joe Armstrong

Ralph Johnson, Joe Armstrong on the State of OOP (2010)
"He said object oriented languages aren't object oriented. I might think, though I'm not quite sure if I believe this or not, but Erlang might be the only object oriented language because the 3 tenets of object oriented programming are that it's based on message passing, that you have isolation between objects and have polymorphism.

Alan Kay himself wrote this famous thing and said 'The notion of object oriented programming is completely misunderstood. It's not about objects and classes, it's all about messages'. He wrote that and he said that the initial reaction to object oriented programming was to overemphasize the classes and methods and under emphasize the messages and if we talk much more about messages then it would be a lot nicer. The original Smalltalk was always talking about objects and you sent messages to them and they responded by sending messages back."

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John Peters

The mass psychosis is in the wording of this article and the author's intent to elicit attention. It has no regard for anyone still using OOP and is simply a lie. Why bash OOP when you could have written an article about FP.

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peerreynders • Edited on

Why bash OOP when you could have written an article about FP.

You said it yourself "attention". Look how many comments there already are.

It has no regard for anyone still using OOP and is simply a lie.

Lie is perhaps a strong word but it's a rather biased rehash of previously known limitations. Every paradigm has limitations and it's important to be aware of them and know how to deal with them. To some degree it plays on the one language theme—in a "one paradigm" way.

Otherwise just ignore it.

If for whatever reason I was tied to the C# ecosystem right now I'd be paying more attention to Mark Seeman (Code that fits in your Head)

He's a veteran in the OO space and is simply looking for better solutions to real problems.

(And beyond that Scott Wlaschin.)

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John Peters

I read Seeman over 25 years ago, he's nothing special. All OOP winds up functional. What? Yes SRP guarantees it. So all your noise shows you are unaware of that.

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peerreynders

After 25 years you should have stopped clinging to SRP by now.

It's a place to start ... not dogma.

With statements like that you are just feeding into the author's argument.

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Thomas Hansen Author

The "point" isn't "to win", the point is to find the best argument ...

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John Peters

Clinging is a word you picked. My word is working. The code style employed everyday I write it, works perfectly. More importantly it's maintainable even years later. Proof? Yes, I have code running world wide every day. I use SRP and Open Closed exclusively. As well as Compositional techniques. If it ain't broke don't fix it right?

BTW the video is ridiculous to me.