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I've not heard of Neutralino before now, so this was very interesting. I'll look at it some more.
But…
I am pretty sure you are convinced right now, but if you are not convinced yet. Then let me tell you that if a build size of Electron is 180Mb then with Neutralionjs, it comes down to 2Mb.
Yeah, I'm not convinced. Smaller package size is nice, but it has to come at a price. Why is it so much smaller? I'd assume because it's less powerful? It's 5 years younger than Electron so the support is probably worse and there might not be as mature as electron.
Based on the linked repository it doesn't use node package managers so that's a major downside.
And quite frankly, I don't really care about (desktop) program size that much – internet connections are pretty decent by now and disk space is plenty.
Simply Neutralionjs is better and faster than any other desktop framework right now If you take a glance at these benchmarks. You will get a grasp of how blazing fast Neutralionjs is.
These benchmarks mention nothing of speed. The only similar statistic mentioned is "start duration" for an empty project which is just a ? for neutralino. And "better" is also very subjective. Lot's of things can influence that: instability, bad APIs, platform inconsistencies, no development support etc..
I just feel like if it was smaller and faster and better in every way, I'd've heard of it in the last 5 years every time electron was mentioned.
And the showcased projects on the website are only example projects, so I don't know if anyone even seriously uses it yet.
Now, I don't want to discourage you from posting. None of these questions need to be addressed by your post. It's completely fine to just make a quick post and tell us about a cool new project. Maybe you're even right and it's everything you promised.
Just if you want to convince us (or maybe just me?) that neutralino is better than Electron, you'll need more than file size. I'd love a more in-depth comparison of the two.
I feel a bit bad for being so negative in my comment. I just felt like there needs to be some more backing up those claims. :/
While you’ll be able to have an apps it will never go into launchpad like any other normal apps which is inconceivable on a UX perspective for obvious reasons.
Yeah @oscar
Ablinger you are completely right, thanks for spoting my mistake. I will add more clarfication in the What is better part as I just didn't wrote it correctly. And I will surely make a new article in depth about what is better.
Sorry, And Thanks for taking time and telling me my stupid mistakes. I will surely fix them this noon. Thanks alot
I'm a Software Engineer, PO, Blogger and more. My blogs feature mostly technical articles about Clean Code, Java, Functional Programming, useful scripts and whatever else I find interesting.
The article mentions that Electron "is hated by developers" because of RAM usage but I can't see how Neutralino can improve on this. For starters, on Windows if you're lucky, it'll use Edge Chromium which is going to use almost an identical amount of RAM to Google Chrome or Electron.
We've been shipping an Electron app to 200k customers for 4+ years and not a single customer has even mentioned Electron and nobody has complained about the download size. This suggests that users generally don't care as long as an app works well. For this reason, I've decided that I no longer care that a few opinionated developers hate Electron. It's not even relevant when considering the business case for an app 🤷♂️
Yeah you are right, Even I think too it doesn't matter as ram is there to be used. As I mentioned in Which is better part.
Neutralion is not like all out best, But it seems Neutralion developers are trying to get Neutralion best in performance wise so I think it will out performance the electron, But even so as you mentioned it dones't matter at the end to customers. So yeah it comes to developer. Btw Thanks for writing comment
I've not heard of Neutralino before now, so this was very interesting. I'll look at it some more.
But…
Yeah, I'm not convinced. Smaller package size is nice, but it has to come at a price. Why is it so much smaller? I'd assume because it's less powerful? It's 5 years younger than Electron so the support is probably worse and there might not be as mature as electron.
Based on the linked repository it doesn't use node package managers so that's a major downside.
And quite frankly, I don't really care about (desktop) program size that much – internet connections are pretty decent by now and disk space is plenty.
These benchmarks mention nothing of speed. The only similar statistic mentioned is "start duration" for an empty project which is just a
?for neutralino. And "better" is also very subjective. Lot's of things can influence that: instability, bad APIs, platform inconsistencies, no development support etc..I just feel like if it was smaller and faster and better in every way, I'd've heard of it in the last 5 years every time electron was mentioned.
And the showcased projects on the website are only example projects, so I don't know if anyone even seriously uses it yet.
Now, I don't want to discourage you from posting. None of these questions need to be addressed by your post. It's completely fine to just make a quick post and tell us about a cool new project. Maybe you're even right and it's everything you promised.
Just if you want to convince us (or maybe just me?) that neutralino is better than Electron, you'll need more than file size. I'd love a more in-depth comparison of the two.
I feel a bit bad for being so negative in my comment. I just felt like there needs to be some more backing up those claims. :/
On Mac it straight up doesn’t work.
While you’ll be able to have an apps it will never go into launchpad like any other normal apps which is inconceivable on a UX perspective for obvious reasons.
Yeah @oscar Ablinger you are completely right, thanks for spoting my mistake. I will add more clarfication in the What is better part as I just didn't wrote it correctly. And I will surely make a new article in depth about what is better.
Sorry, And Thanks for taking time and telling me my stupid mistakes. I will surely fix them this noon. Thanks alot
I wouldn't call it a stupid mistake. It happens pretty quickly to oversell certain things – I certainly did before too.
Anyways, when you publish your new post, please update me here :)
Thanks Alot
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The article mentions that Electron "is hated by developers" because of RAM usage but I can't see how Neutralino can improve on this. For starters, on Windows if you're lucky, it'll use Edge Chromium which is going to use almost an identical amount of RAM to Google Chrome or Electron.
We've been shipping an Electron app to 200k customers for 4+ years and not a single customer has even mentioned Electron and nobody has complained about the download size. This suggests that users generally don't care as long as an app works well. For this reason, I've decided that I no longer care that a few opinionated developers hate Electron. It's not even relevant when considering the business case for an app 🤷♂️
Yeah you are right, Even I think too it doesn't matter as ram is there to be used. As I mentioned in Which is better part.
Neutralion is not like all out best, But it seems Neutralion developers are trying to get Neutralion best in performance wise so I think it will out performance the electron, But even so as you mentioned it dones't matter at the end to customers. So yeah it comes to developer. Btw Thanks for writing comment
Done I have updated this article, I am gona write a new article covering all the frameworks for creating desktop applications with web dev tools