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Nicolas Bailly

mansplaining

Ugh... That word is even worse than saying "you guys" to women. It's like only men are allowed to be condescending.

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Samuel-Zacharie FAURE

There is however a real problem of men being condescending to women. Hence where this word comes from.

Women can be condescending too but it is not because of gendered power dynamics.

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Okiki Ojo

Doesn't change the fact that it belittled any opinion any man was going to have on the situation, yes sometimes the male perspective may not be the most accurate but it doesn't give anyone the right to belittle opinions based on gender.

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Samuel-Zacharie FAURE • Edited

I'm not sure you understand what mansplaining is, because you're complaining about a response to mansplaining which doesnt relate to actual manplaining.

Case 1: A man explaining something to a woman. This is not mansplaining. This is explaining.

Case 2: A man, barely competent in a certain topic, explaining this topic to a woman who is a world expert on this topic. This is mansplaining. The man subconsciously -or in some cases consciously- assumes he is more competent because of his gender.

In Case 1, If someone is complaining about mansplaining in that situation, I will agree with you that they are being dishonest.

Mansplaining happens in Case 2, which happens quite frequently in the "man => woman" direction, but way less frequently in reverse. Why? Because of gendered power dynamics. Which is why the word exist.

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Okiki Ojo

No, it's discounting someone's opinion based on their gender. If you believe some one doesn't know enough about the situation you say some one doesn't know enough about a situation, not that they are mansplaining, the connotations of the word are rather condescending and offensive, "as in I can't speak on the matter because I'm man, etc..." and it's even more offensive when the person who is "mansplaining" believes the insight they have into the situation are fair and valid.

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Okiki Ojo

The gender power dynamics doesn't change the fact that the person you are talking to it a human that deserves a fair chance to have their opinions heard, also, power dynamics are a cultural thing not necessarily a person by person thing, so, you shouldn't be trying to justify ignoring a man's opinion based on it.

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Samuel-Zacharie FAURE

You have to realize getting mansplained regularly is a terrible experience that a lot of women live nowadays.

Would you be happy if people from the opposite (and favored) gender would regularly belittle you, patronize you, and assume they know more than you... just because you're not a man ?

After you worked a decade to become an expert in something, you get mansplained by a dude which expertise is that he saw a documentary on the topic two years ago, but he knows better than you because he's a man?

Mansplaining is not "a man's opinion", by definition it's "a man's ignorant opinion". It's disrespectful and is both a cause and a consequence of sexism.