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Mikael

Hire a designer :D I know one that does great designs for 450EUR

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DesirΓ© πŸ‘©β€πŸŽ“πŸ‘©β€πŸ«

Sorry I don't get this comment of yours.

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Mikael

Ah just a small joke. If you are a dev I would keep being a dev and hire a designer for the design work. Everybody has to eat Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

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DesirΓ© πŸ‘©β€πŸŽ“πŸ‘©β€πŸ«

Mikael, thank you for your joke, let me just point out some things:

➜ Not everyone has money enough to pay a good designer. (And I'm saying "good" for many reasons).
➜ Not every project requires a professional design or designer.
➜ (Are you totally ignoring fullstack devs who also do great designs?)
➜ Everybody has to eat, those who can't afford a designer, are freelancer and must create Pablito's web and not Vogue's web, too.
➜ (Are you ignoring those devs who actually like to design but are too afraid to call themselves a designer?)
➜ By the same rule, let's close Wordpress, Wix, Drupal and Joomla because everyone can use them without "hiring a designer".

Thank you.

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Mikael

You know, that was of course not an attack.

What I am saying is: if you are budgeting a website for a client, make him pay the design, and if you are a good dev, focus on dev and hire a designer. Even one just out of design school. If the client doesn't want to pay for a designer than maybe reconsider clients.

That being said, you can perfectly do some designs/dev yourself if you like it, it just mixes jobs and for large projects it is not suitable.

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DesirΓ© πŸ‘©β€πŸŽ“πŸ‘©β€πŸ«

Who made it an attack? I think your "joke" didn't focused on the actual reality we're living in, so I just tried to point it out.

But I think you're still missing fullstacks who are great designers too, and the fact, again, that you can't just "hire a designer" neither "reconsider clients" if you actually are a small freelancer and willing to eat.

Maybe you're just so lucky, being able to afford big projects with big budgets and being able to hire a designer Β―_(ツ)_/Β―.

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Mikael

I don't know about luck. But I live in Madrid, started freelance 4 months ago and with the right commercial strategies you can find clients and start hiring people. And I am fullstack.

So I live the reality you describe everyday.

I defend that people have to pay for what they want, if I need a designer to do a piece of web dev, I will budget it and tell this to my client: "If you want a good web app, you need to make sure you have a great design, or your app is worth not much".

Honestly it also feels good to give work to other people that are also struggling to make a living.

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DesirΓ© πŸ‘©β€πŸŽ“πŸ‘©β€πŸ«

You're living in one of the best cities in the world to both work in the IT field and being freelancer as a fullstack. That's what I mean speaking of luck.

I'm not against the point of hiring people or help people finding projects, I'm just against the idea that everyone in the field can afford that.

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Mikael • Edited

Again luck has little to do with it because I chose to move there from another city. My clients also majoritarily come from out of Spain.

Anyway, I added you on LinkedIn, if I have some web-dev work to do I will get in touch :) Have a great day, Mikael

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DesirΓ© πŸ‘©β€πŸŽ“πŸ‘©β€πŸ«

You have a really bad idea of luck, and luck is not bad at all. I myself consider I had real great luck my entire career, which along with my talent positioned me exactly where I wanted.

I'm a designer and I also develop, if I can develop what my clients wants, perfect. If not, I must hire a dev to do ir for me, that's totally acceptable, but it's not always something I can do if I can't afford it.

Thank you Mikael, I'll check my LinkedIn, you too have a great day.