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leob

There would clearly be a difference between Google or Apple scanning stuff that's being stored in their clouds, and them installing "spyware" ON your personal device.

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Michael Kohl • Edited on

Absolutely. But it's not like Google only spies on you on their cloud. I consider every app they make spyware, which is why I don't use an Android phone or have Google apps installed on my iPhone. I also tend to not user their services, for the few I do (Maps and YT primarily) I have all the privacy settings turned on (no history, etc.).

In the end, we consumers have no one but ourselves to blame. There were plenty of attempts to create properly free open-source mobile operating systems but most of us — myself included — chose (temporary) convenience over that.

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leob • Edited on

Hold on, can you substantiate the claim that Google's apps are spyware, or are they rather just collecting anonymous usage data for the benefit of their advertisement business? IMO you can't just equate those two ...

In my mind companies like Apple and Microsoft with their obscene profit margins are just as "evil" (if not more) than Google - their business model is just different, which allows those two to act sanctimoniously versus Apple and Google when it comes to privacy (but Apple and MS are detestable in other ways).

Yeah maybe we should blame ourselves, but OTOH maybe most of use don't care that much ... and even if everything's open source, someone's gotta pay for hosting and running the services, or would we all suddenly go take a subscription instead of enjoying freebees? If you give people a choice then most of them will take the freebees with ads rather than a subscription.

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Michael Kohl

can you substantiate the claim that Google's apps are spyware

gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google...
eff.org/press/releases/google-dece...

But let's not argue too much about semantics here, after all everything they do is covered by their Terms of Service that nobody ever reads. I said "I consider them spyware" for the purpose of running them on my own devices.

even if everything's open source, someone's gotta pay for hosting and running the services

Yes, I'd rather pay for services in $ than in "anonymous usage data" which is why I pay for my email and many other things that people nowadays expect to be free.

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leob • Edited on

Fair enough, that's a choice more people should be making consciously - either you pay for stuff and retain your privacy, or you accept the freebees and stop whining about it.