re: How Can We Keep On A Tech Side VIEW POST

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From an objective standpoint, I think that there are a lot more points implied here than directly said, most of which walk a fine line.

Ultimately, I like the fact that you are tossing grievances out into the open. Its that kind of mindset that creates real change. Whining and whispering without coming out and saying anything is for sewing circles, IMHO.

What I'm hearing you suggest are legitimate changes that could benefit the whole community, blacklisting tags is a big one. Then there are others that there could very well be creative solutions for, but are not quite so obvious. Having a "censorship free" environment could, as you've said, scare off newcomers and could do more harm than good. However, perhaps having a switch in your profile that you could toggle similar to the "Show my PG only Memes" on some meme websites could be one way to go about it.

Personally, I love a good, no holds barred debate. But ultimately, as this is a relatively public space, there needs to be an air of respect on the "front page" of things because we are, after all, professionals and should behave as such.

This is not to say that, as professionals, we all need to blow off steam once in awhile using not-so-appropriate language and/or references. But, just like in real life, the spaces and audiences to whom we speak this way should ultimately, have the right to choose to be present. Perhaps needing to explicitly join a certain discussion, and being warned beforehand that some of the content may be "less than savory" could be another way. YouTube has done this for some time with the "Sign in to confirm your age" prompt.

Final thoughts would be to not leave the community. This site is barely in its infancy and will grow with time. With maturity comes wisdom and the ability to use it to accomplish your goals. Growing pains are a part of that, and the decisions you come to may not always be popular, but that's life. I'd stick around for a bit and continue to be respectfully vocal about what you don't like, as you've done here. I've been around for only a short time, but it seems that the people running this joint are really responsive to the community so, we'll see what happens.

 

This site is barely in its infancy and will grow with time. With maturity comes wisdom and the ability to use it to accomplish your goals. Growing pains are a part of that, and the decisions you come to may not always be popular, but that's life.

Thank you!

I think some of Aleksei's points are addressable platform concerns we share. Hard to say if we'll ever be his ideal community. But either way, this kind of project takes forever to reach meaningful product maturity, if ever. Sometimes I feel like we could go back to when nobody cared one way or another.

It's probably good that people care enough to make posts like this.

 

Hard to say if we'll ever be his ideal community.

That’s very easy to say: nope, never. But that fact has zero value.

The thing is I could not care less about myself. I am fine. I care about the community. I naïvely thought the word dev in the name still has both meaning and value.

I believe you do care about the community and I enjoy the content you post but Aleksei, let's be intellectually honest: you do also care about yourself, otherwise your post wouldn't be full of your personal opinions.

Even now you're talking about "the meaning and value of the word dev" like there's only one way to interpret such word or everyone here has the same experience and interests as you.

Personally I've changed my mind at least a couple of times about what we all do for work and passion on here :D The meaning of the word dev for me is not the same now that it was when I was in middle school or when I was super excited at my first job at a financial company.

ps. using the expression "intellectual honesty" I'm not implying you're dishonest on purpose, just that by reading your comments I get the impression that your own view of the world is sometimes packaged as objective fact

you do also care about yourself, otherwise your post wouldn't be full of your personal opinions

I doubt I understand how it makes a deductive reasoning. Everything we share is nothing but personal opinions. Objective facts exist if and only if axiomatics is complete and consistent and that’s not what happens to humanity.

Thanks for the formal explanation :D

What I meant is more nuanced (and your answer confirmed my doubts actually): by saying "I do not care about me, I care about the community" and with your initial post's choice of words added what is coming across is "I know the definition of community, you have to do this, that and also that, otherwise you'll fail because there are no other possible permutations for a thriving community".

I don't think dev.to is perfect but, it seems like you disagree on this, for example the code of conduct is something I really appreciate. You might not, but we can both co-exist on this platform and collaborate.

If you truly, truly couldn't do this you would have already left without sounding the alarm about what bothers you which is a good thing.

Anyhow, since you do not care much about discussing tone or people's feelings: I put forth a possible implementation of the "blacklist" here, we can discuss that in its thread

A possible improvement on a plain "ignore tag" feature could be the following.

Let's say you decide that "react" is something you don't really care about and you tell the platform to ignore the tag.

If you agree, the platform will send you a monthly email of the best React articles and their best comments in the tags you've ignored. Humans aren't perfect, sometimes they forget to add all the relevant tags or instead the post is tagged "react" but it's not about the technology per se but part of a larger discourse on frontend development.

This way you're not totally disconnected to what goes on in that other part of the website. You can still unsubscribe from the digest but maybe this will spark some interest or a conversation if the title captures your attention.

Instead of the email, which I'm sure some would dislike - even if it's the easiest to implement, you might have a new section on the website of such "best of ignored tags".

You don’t hear me: I am fine with whatever exists, and when I am not, I am creating my own implementation of that from the scratch.

That is not about me. I know how to blacklist whatever I want and AdBlock + Greasemonkey do their job for me perfectly.

There are some smart, engaged people here trying to brainstorm solutions to the critiques that you’ve presented. However, this thing you’re doing where you claim you’re not speaking for yourself but for some unseen developer who cannot speak for themselves allows you to dodge any and all ideas. All you have to say is “this isn’t about me!”

Maybe you should make this about you and express your opinions and feelings. Argue the ideas presented on the merits that you see in them. Stop moving the goalpost because no one is correctly engaging the imaginary construct of developer you think you’re arguing for. Rhymes is trying to engage you honestly and I’d love to know what you actually think about these ideas rather than just get snippy and change the subject.

There are some smart, engaged people here trying to brainstorm solutions to the critiques that you’ve presented.

That’s great and I could not wish more. I am not as smart, neither engaged—so I did my best—I threw the critiques for those who are able to handle it. Why should I continue to participate in the discussion in the first place?

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