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Jose Gonzalez • Edited

It's funny because it's true!

Hey Fred,

Thank you for such an awesome and precise post. Being on the field for 15 years professionally now, I can relate 110%!

  • Best jobs I had gotten are thru word of mouth or applying directly.
  • Worst jobs been recruiters.

Not saying all recruiters are bad. There are some good ones, but they are really hard to find.

Here are other things I can think of right now:

  1. Reworking our legacy system into modern technologies. Meaning: We need suckers to maintain the old legacy system. Tenure people got dibs.

  2. Buzzword1, Buzzword2, Buzzword3. Meaning: clickbait buzzword. Gotcha!

  3. Fuzzball, kegs, ping pong tables, etc. Meaning: Long hours are expected.

  4. Unlimited PTO. Meaning: You need manager approval. Shame on you for taking too much PTO. Also may mean: We gonna work your ass off, I mean you are getting unlimited PTO!

  5. Full stack! Meaning: We'll throw at whatever the hell we feel like it. Don't want to do back-end? Tough! Don't care about front-end? Fix this layout in the website. Never seen a database? Learn it, aren't you full stack?

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Yechiel Kalmenson

Ugh, my CTO is now expecting me to take on web design tasks "because aren't you full-stack?"

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Fred Heath

Thanks Jose! How could I forget about 'full-stack' developer ?! With your permission, I'll add it to the list.

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Jose Gonzalez

Sure thing! 🙂

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mgaruccio

I feel like I'm the only one who has had success with recruiters... The best ones think like good salespeople and work with the goal of placing you multiple times rather than just to make a single good commission.

Easiest way to tell the difference is by paying attention to what they focus on, if they keep telling you about the great opportunity they have then run away fast, the good ones will take some time to get to know you and your career goals and only then try to place you somewhere that makes sense. The really great ones will also be super up-front about downsides of working at a company and then let you decide if they are worth it (something like "the pay is awesome, you get to work with modern tech, but they are going to expect 70 hour weeks and you'll never not be on call, does that sound like something you can work with?").

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Fred Heath

In fairness, I've worked with a couple of recruiters like that, but -in my experience- they are the exception rather than the rule.

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mgaruccio

Yea you absolutely have to be careful and selective with them. Have definitely gotten burned in the past by not vetting the recruiter before taking the position.

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Jose Gonzalez

Yah, whenever they pressure you such as: "Need to know today or end of day".

Pressure from them is for the sale, not for your benefit. At least, that's been my experience so far.

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mgaruccio

99% of the time this is true, once in a while they are legitimately letting you know that the company is in a hurry and will be making someone else an offer if you wait. Knowing the difference comes back to trust.

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HarrisonReviewedo

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HarrisonReviewedo

The best recruiters are hard to find. But this is something we are addressing with Reviewedo - a brand new peer-to-peer reviewing platform where working professionals and businesses can anonymously review the individual recruiter and the recruitment agency.

As we are in our infancy, it would be great if you could share your experiences with the best recruiters you have worked with to help other professionals out there!

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