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while I personally go for the first one, I tend to be a little bit more explicit by doing the OP's last example, because I've worked on code bases where there's a lot of new devs and they tend to break (and some times don't even touch them by fear) too much these ternary/single return statements, while I don't think they are bad, some times I just care more about explicitness for the rest of the team/teams, on my personal projects tough you will find more ternary/single return samples :smile:
That second one with ramda is a prime example of garbage code from a developer proving theyve read some functional programming books / blog posts. Why would you ever do that as opposed to the nested ternary? Functional programming is great but the use of ramda is complete nonsense for that example.
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It's easier for you to understand OP's examples because you have been exposed to them.
It's like reading a new word for the first time. You have to sound out every letter. But as you see that word more often, you can understand it at the quickest glance.
This does not mean that word is harder than other words you have already learned. You just haven't become familiar with it yet.
Learning more words will only improve your mastery over the language. And who knows, there may come a time when that word will be the one that will perfectly convey your message.
No, no, I use arrow functions daily, but my mantra is that shorter is not always better. For me, double ternary is not readable and has higher mental load and we don't have any advantage over simple 'if else'. Writing is cheap and quick, reading is not. :) You also must take in consideration other developers who might not prefer ternary and double ternary and they will not be happy reading this. :)
It’s an incredibly important skill to be able to say something in a simple way. A large vocabulary is useful, but doesn’t guarantee (or can even decrease) clear communication.
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Yes your example was a simple one, though simplicity is not a factor as any program can be expressed as a single expression, regardless of the simplicity. Therefore any example can be converted into a conditional ternary. Though it may is possible not look the cleanest or be the best solution.
But if we have code between the condition and the return statement, you cannot use a ternary oh enlightened one ;)
☝️ This statement can be proven false with this block of code:
constfoo=bar=>bar>0?(console.log('Execute some code here for YES'),'YES'):bar===0?(console.log('Execute some code here for MAYBE'),'MAYBE'):(console.log('Execute some code here for NO'),'NO')
To demonstrate my point that you can write any application as a single expression, you can read my article where I have written a fully functional Promise library, a fairly complex program, as a single function expression. dev.to/joelnet/challenge-program-w...
The good thing about using a ternary operator is that when the operator becomes complicated, it is a signal that your function needs to be broken down into smaller pieces. Where as with the if statement, you can easily add too many statements without receiving this signal and end up with a function that breaks the Single Responsibility rule.
Sasa is a highly driven full stack software developer with background in finance and accounting. A relentless problem solver who is passionate about finding elegant solutions to problems at hand.
Sasa is a highly driven full stack software developer with background in finance and accounting. A relentless problem solver who is passionate about finding elegant solutions to problems at hand.
I’m fine with the quick return for validation or a guard as long as it’s right at the beginning of a function.
I’d rather have one single exit point for my function though since having multiple outs adds to the chances that someone will add code between the two exits without realizing it.
A “better” solution:
# python 2 only. Cmp was taken from the code golfers in python 3.defsilly(bar):output={"-1":"NO","0":"MAYBE","1":"YES"}returnoutput[str(cmp(bar,0))]# LATE EDIT FOR MAXIMUM UNREADABILITY:defsilly(bar):return{"-1":"NO","0":"MAYBE","1":"YES"}[str(cmp(bar,0))]
If your function is equivalent to a nested ternary, then that’s a good use of early return. Anything more complicated needs to have the contents of the If statements extracted into methods to more clearly show off your now ternary equivalent ifelse
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For some reason the younger devs in the team prefer to write code this way ☝️, but the truly enlightened devs will write code like this:
or like this:
Use a single return!
p.s. also be careful of ageism ;)
I have personal restrictions about ternaries within ternaries
while I personally go for the first one, I tend to be a little bit more explicit by doing the OP's last example, because I've worked on code bases where there's a lot of new devs and they tend to break (and some times don't even touch them by fear) too much these ternary/single return statements, while I don't think they are bad, some times I just care more about explicitness for the rest of the team/teams, on my personal projects tough you will find more ternary/single return samples :smile:
That second one with ramda is a prime example of garbage code from a developer proving theyve read some functional programming books / blog posts. Why would you ever do that as opposed to the nested ternary? Functional programming is great but the use of ramda is complete nonsense for that example.
Joelnet, those two are not as readable as last example from Sasa, they have a higher mental load.
But I agree with you, better style comes with age and experience. :)
This is due to familiarity bias.
It's easier for you to understand OP's examples because you have been exposed to them.
It's like reading a new word for the first time. You have to sound out every letter. But as you see that word more often, you can understand it at the quickest glance.
This does not mean that word is harder than other words you have already learned. You just haven't become familiar with it yet.
Learning more words will only improve your mastery over the language. And who knows, there may come a time when that word will be the one that will perfectly convey your message.
Cheers!
No, no, I use arrow functions daily, but my mantra is that shorter is not always better. For me, double ternary is not readable and has higher mental load and we don't have any advantage over simple 'if else'. Writing is cheap and quick, reading is not. :) You also must take in consideration other developers who might not prefer ternary and double ternary and they will not be happy reading this. :)
It’s an incredibly important skill to be able to say something in a simple way. A large vocabulary is useful, but doesn’t guarantee (or can even decrease) clear communication.
Looks like the simplicity of my example stands in the way of the message I'm trying to convey.
If we take the examples literally there is no issue, a single line ternary
But if we have code between the condition and the return statement, you cannot use a ternary oh enlightened one ;)
Yes your example was a simple one, though simplicity is not a factor as any program can be expressed as a single expression, regardless of the simplicity. Therefore any example can be converted into a conditional ternary. Though it may is possible not look the cleanest or be the best solution.
☝️ This statement can be proven false with this block of code:
To demonstrate my point that you can write any application as a single expression, you can read my article where I have written a fully functional Promise library, a fairly complex program, as a single function expression. dev.to/joelnet/challenge-program-w...
The good thing about using a ternary operator is that when the operator becomes complicated, it is a signal that your function needs to be broken down into smaller pieces. Where as with the
if
statement, you can easily add too many statements without receiving this signal and end up with a function that breaks the Single Responsibility rule.Just because you can do something does not mean you should, have fun maintaining your library :)
Just because you shouldn't do something it doesn't mean you can't ;)
True as well :D
I’m fine with the quick return for validation or a guard as long as it’s right at the beginning of a function.
I’d rather have one single exit point for my function though since having multiple outs adds to the chances that someone will add code between the two exits without realizing it.
A “better” solution:
If your function is equivalent to a nested ternary, then that’s a good use of early return. Anything more complicated needs to have the contents of the If statements extracted into methods to more clearly show off your now ternary equivalent ifelse
I think OP's original example uses the conditions
== 0
,> 0
and< 0
, so a hash table wouldn't work for2
or-2
.I think if you look closer, you'll see that my solution is equivalent in output to the OP's example.
Here's a nastier one (also with a py3 equivalent)
God, I love how awful python can get sometimes!