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Jesse Phillips

That seems like a very popular opinion except among those that have learned vim.

Now I'll switch to links to respond to your comments.

still quicker than learning all the keybindings

IDE which catches 80% of my mistakes for me and offers all sorts of other features to boot.

visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/...

onivim.io/

I have not found learning vim a waste and still get IDE benefits.

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Jean-Michel 🕵🏻‍♂️ Fayard

I have learned vim enough to write part of the translated manual in french.

And I'm sorry but it would be delusional to think that vim gives IDE benefits similar to JetBrains IntelliJ IDEA :)

I have not found learning vim a waste and still get IDE benefits.

Right it's not a waste of time, it's fun

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Luke Inglis

And I'm sorry but it would be delusional to think that vim gives IDE benefits similar to JetBrains IntelliJ IDEA :)

With the right plugins you can get most of the way there. I'll take 95% of the way there for free than 100% of the way for $150/year.

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Jean-Michel 🕵🏻‍♂️ Fayard

vim+plugins doesn't do 95% of a modern ide

and $150/year is like one or two hour of work for your employer, I'm pretty sure that he shouldn't care

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Jesse Phillips

I think you missed that I wasn't specifically talking about vim, but emulators and new IDE which provide vim's mode based editing.

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Luke Inglis

Obviously I don’t have hard numbers but I’m curious what you are sure that Vim can’t do that a full fledged IDE can’t.

I’m honestly wondering because I haven’t run into much at all that I can’t cover in Vim. I don’t tend to work in languages with tons of tooling though so maybe that accounts for it.

And not everyone is luck enough to have an employee who will shell out for arbitrary licenses.

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Jean-Michel 🕵🏻‍♂️ Fayard

And not everyone is luck enough to have an employee who will shell out for arbitrary licenses.

True, and that's why there is a space for both

(from Jesse) I think you missed that I wasn't specifically talking about vim, but emulators and new IDE which provide vim's mode based editing.

onivim.io/ is not released yet so why would I compare with mature IDEs?

Using a modern IDE with vim's mode based editing is fine if that's something you like

I don’t tend to work in languages with tons of tooling though so maybe that accounts for it.

Ah maybe that's why. Try out doing refactoring with Kotlin in JetBrains IDEA Community Edition

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Luke Inglis

When I did C++ and Java in school I definitely appreciated having more tooling around things.