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Replies for: I missed the point of how the interop could be better in Clojure. For one, you can't write serious Clojure for Android, which is a major use case f...

True, but I almost never had to just "cast and hope" with clojure calling java code. When it comes to "serious" java (read: "enterprise class" with as much derision as possible) reflection tends to become involved and Kotlin's type system is quite a bit more conservative.

I agree about the awkwardness of

(let [b (SomeBean. )]
  (.setA b a-value)
  (.setB b b-value)
  b)

I tended to hide those away under the rug.

Pan Chasinga • Oct 3 '19

That was spot on. I love functional programming and Clojure got me for a while until I had to do exactly that.

In my wildest dreams I see Lisp becomes a mainstream language people use to teach and learn programming. I'm still writing Scheme on the side sometimes.

Jon Bristow • Oct 3 '19

Tangentially, looking at my let, I saw a familiar construct staring back at me:

val b = SomeBean().apply {
  a = aValue
  b = bValue
}

Pan Chasinga • Oct 4 '19

LOL. Actually Kotlin stole quite a lot from Scala, which is a functional language inspired by Lisp. So your observation wasn't wrong.