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re: Hire a designer :D I know one that does great designs for 450EUR
 

Sorry I don't get this comment of yours.

 

Ah just a small joke. If you are a dev I would keep being a dev and hire a designer for the design work. Everybody has to eat ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Mikael, thank you for your joke, let me just point out some things:

➜ Not everyone has money enough to pay a good designer. (And I'm saying "good" for many reasons).
➜ Not every project requires a professional design or designer.
➜ (Are you totally ignoring fullstack devs who also do great designs?)
➜ Everybody has to eat, those who can't afford a designer, are freelancer and must create Pablito's web and not Vogue's web, too.
➜ (Are you ignoring those devs who actually like to design but are too afraid to call themselves a designer?)
➜ By the same rule, let's close Wordpress, Wix, Drupal and Joomla because everyone can use them without "hiring a designer".

Thank you.

You know, that was of course not an attack.

What I am saying is: if you are budgeting a website for a client, make him pay the design, and if you are a good dev, focus on dev and hire a designer. Even one just out of design school. If the client doesn't want to pay for a designer than maybe reconsider clients.

That being said, you can perfectly do some designs/dev yourself if you like it, it just mixes jobs and for large projects it is not suitable.

Who made it an attack? I think your "joke" didn't focused on the actual reality we're living in, so I just tried to point it out.

But I think you're still missing fullstacks who are great designers too, and the fact, again, that you can't just "hire a designer" neither "reconsider clients" if you actually are a small freelancer and willing to eat.

Maybe you're just so lucky, being able to afford big projects with big budgets and being able to hire a designer ¯_(ツ)_/¯.

I don't know about luck. But I live in Madrid, started freelance 4 months ago and with the right commercial strategies you can find clients and start hiring people. And I am fullstack.

So I live the reality you describe everyday.

I defend that people have to pay for what they want, if I need a designer to do a piece of web dev, I will budget it and tell this to my client: "If you want a good web app, you need to make sure you have a great design, or your app is worth not much".

Honestly it also feels good to give work to other people that are also struggling to make a living.

You're living in one of the best cities in the world to both work in the IT field and being freelancer as a fullstack. That's what I mean speaking of luck.

I'm not against the point of hiring people or help people finding projects, I'm just against the idea that everyone in the field can afford that.

Again luck has little to do with it because I chose to move there from another city. My clients also majoritarily come from out of Spain.

Anyway, I added you on LinkedIn, if I have some web-dev work to do I will get in touch :) Have a great day, Mikael

You have a really bad idea of luck, and luck is not bad at all. I myself consider I had real great luck my entire career, which along with my talent positioned me exactly where I wanted.

I'm a designer and I also develop, if I can develop what my clients wants, perfect. If not, I must hire a dev to do ir for me, that's totally acceptable, but it's not always something I can do if I can't afford it.

Thank you Mikael, I'll check my LinkedIn, you too have a great day.

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