You're comparing personal issues with this post? This is not a personal content, so there's no reason to compare it to your own medical issues, your own dogs, your own personality/opinion/wathever.
Udemy is where I put my money to learn, and honestly, clearly and out loud: I don't want lessons on how to get a girl at my online school. There was never a "how to get girls" lesson at my physical school neither.
So, as a dev, as a member of this community and as a dev who uses this platform (which is probably also more than the 85% of dev.to community), I don't want that content there and I'm so glad to know about this situation so I can dennounce this because I worked with them.
Moreover, why do you think they deleted those courses? Because they are selling an online school/university. You will even find official certificates there. They are advertising themselves as online teachers and giving you official titles, therefore: those 'courses' are the only thing NOT related to tech/studies/disciplines, which is why this must be exposed. So, even more, tell me: why would anyone want to post in their social media their official "How to get a girl course, 2.5h finished successfully" certificate? Just think about it.
This can't be simplified to some people being upset about dating courses. It's not a dating course. It's a course about how to manipulate women and perpetuates the mentality that men are entitled to women's bodies and attention. I've said multiple times: A LOT of devs use Udemy. But I'm done repeating myself just because you disagree about the need to alert folks to what kind of danger Udemy can be.
Because this site is for a specific type of person and specific types of content that benefit many (if not all) of us. All of these things have their place online but not here.
You have been here for less than a month. I encourage you to explore this site a little bit more. The content goes far beyond technical topics.
"Dating" is an over-simplification I suppose but it was in quotes (meaning that isn't really the true subject), but even that isn't the point. You still haven't answered my question. How is this related to developers/designers? How is this helpful? You offer no alternatives or ideas for bettering the situation. Just bashing a platform (for valid reasons, sure). I just don't see the value in it for a dev community. I don't come here to be an army to attack someone else doing terrible stuff. Why don't we attack YouTube because devs can no longer make money on there because of their weird new rules? This site isn't about that. It isn't useful or helpful.
I don't appreciate being attacked for my opinion as stated either.
Have you read the code of conduct here? "Gracefully accepting constructive criticism" and "Focusing on what is best for the community."
This kind of content valuable to me, it's valuable to Ashlee, it's valuable to a whole heck of a lot of women developers who learned things on Udemy. If they allow this sort of stuff onto the site, what's the quality of the tech courses I've taken?
So true, Ali.
Above all, I don't see how trying to make dev community better is not related in any way with the community. I just don't get how trying to get rid of inapropiate content for a large part of this dev community in a training/learning-platform which we all probably use is not related to the community. I guess the point is, that if he's not part of the half of the community that was the target of these 'courses', he doesn't feel related to it. I guess asking for empathy in dev community is not related to it?
I can't explain it in any other way.
As any dev and ops should now, housekeeping is needed. In our project, on our server, in our database etc... We track any code smell, any misuse of variable name, any bug, any old revision that should have been stopped long ago, we try to get rid as much useless data as possible. I see now reason why our community should not have any use of housekeeping. I do not wish to see any sexist thought or any racial division in tech community for a dev is a dev. As such, content promoting that you could "hack a woman brain" is first forbidden by alot of laws as manipulation is not really a legal thing, second why a woman brain? are they more easier? Those kind of idea are just brought by the title, I let you imagine the rest of the course. Honestly, I would agree with any course called "how to find your codemate, or how to find the best match for pair programming" but not how "I can with my super programming power hijack the brain of this girl". That reductive for the women and for us as developer.
At least I believe.
On a side note, this kind of content seems appropriate since dev.to put up "Yet she coded" (I believe it the name of the post series? I may have it wrong) and as such position itself on the non discrimination of gender in tech related topic.
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You're comparing personal issues with this post? This is not a personal content, so there's no reason to compare it to your own medical issues, your own dogs, your own personality/opinion/wathever.
Udemy is where I put my money to learn, and honestly, clearly and out loud: I don't want lessons on how to get a girl at my online school. There was never a "how to get girls" lesson at my physical school neither.
So, as a dev, as a member of this community and as a dev who uses this platform (which is probably also more than the 85% of dev.to community), I don't want that content there and I'm so glad to know about this situation so I can dennounce this because I worked with them.
Moreover, why do you think they deleted those courses? Because they are selling an online school/university. You will even find official certificates there. They are advertising themselves as online teachers and giving you official titles, therefore: those 'courses' are the only thing NOT related to tech/studies/disciplines, which is why this must be exposed. So, even more, tell me: why would anyone want to post in their social media their official "How to get a girl course, 2.5h finished successfully" certificate? Just think about it.
This can't be simplified to some people being upset about dating courses. It's not a dating course. It's a course about how to manipulate women and perpetuates the mentality that men are entitled to women's bodies and attention. I've said multiple times: A LOT of devs use Udemy. But I'm done repeating myself just because you disagree about the need to alert folks to what kind of danger Udemy can be.
Yeah, actually. People love that shit! Check out this post I wrote that has almost 100 reactions and over 1500 views:
How I Keep Coding When I'm Low on Spoons
Ashlee Boyer γ» Sep 3 γ» 5 min read
You have been here for less than a month. I encourage you to explore this site a little bit more. The content goes far beyond technical topics.
So I should expect to be attacked every time for sharing an opinion on a post. New-comers it. Got it.
"Dating" is an over-simplification I suppose but it was in quotes (meaning that isn't really the true subject), but even that isn't the point. You still haven't answered my question. How is this related to developers/designers? How is this helpful? You offer no alternatives or ideas for bettering the situation. Just bashing a platform (for valid reasons, sure). I just don't see the value in it for a dev community. I don't come here to be an army to attack someone else doing terrible stuff. Why don't we attack YouTube because devs can no longer make money on there because of their weird new rules? This site isn't about that. It isn't useful or helpful.
I don't appreciate being attacked for my opinion as stated either.
Have you read the code of conduct here? "Gracefully accepting constructive criticism" and "Focusing on what is best for the community."
This kind of content valuable to me, it's valuable to Ashlee, it's valuable to a whole heck of a lot of women developers who learned things on Udemy. If they allow this sort of stuff onto the site, what's the quality of the tech courses I've taken?
And no one is attacking you.
So true, Ali.
Above all, I don't see how trying to make dev community better is not related in any way with the community. I just don't get how trying to get rid of inapropiate content for a large part of this dev community in a training/learning-platform which we all probably use is not related to the community. I guess the point is, that if he's not part of the half of the community that was the target of these 'courses', he doesn't feel related to it. I guess asking for empathy in dev community is not related to it?
I can't explain it in any other way.
As any dev and ops should now, housekeeping is needed. In our project, on our server, in our database etc... We track any code smell, any misuse of variable name, any bug, any old revision that should have been stopped long ago, we try to get rid as much useless data as possible. I see now reason why our community should not have any use of housekeeping. I do not wish to see any sexist thought or any racial division in tech community for a dev is a dev. As such, content promoting that you could "hack a woman brain" is first forbidden by alot of laws as manipulation is not really a legal thing, second why a woman brain? are they more easier? Those kind of idea are just brought by the title, I let you imagine the rest of the course. Honestly, I would agree with any course called "how to find your codemate, or how to find the best match for pair programming" but not how "I can with my super programming power hijack the brain of this girl". That reductive for the women and for us as developer.
At least I believe.
On a side note, this kind of content seems appropriate since dev.to put up "Yet she coded" (I believe it the name of the post series? I may have it wrong) and as such position itself on the non discrimination of gender in tech related topic.