I use bash day in and day out. It's my favorite shell. I've been using it for a long time.
But... whenever I need to do something for production, I reach for Python 3.x. I use git for source control. I have my code peer reviewed.
I've converted some other peoples bash scripts into Python. I've converted some other peoples Perl scripts into Python. I've converted some other peoples JavaScript on Node.js into Python.
Because I love Python? (Well, I am fond of it, true.) No, because the other code was hard to understand and hard to maintain and hadn't been code reviewed and wasn't abiding by the approved scripting engines. (Node.js is actually approved, but the other points hold.)
The "hard" part isn't a shortcoming of the language (after all, these aren't PHP), it's a shortcoming of the programmer making a tasty pot of spaghetti code -- and spaghetti code can be written in any language.
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Yes, but some languages (and their baggage) can be more conducive to spaghetti ;-)
If you look for examples of good Python, Java, JavaScript, C, Golang, etc, you can find them, and there are LOTS of people trying to demonstrate how to do it properly. Examples are everywhere.
Shell (and to a lesser extent Perl) is plentiful in the wild - and it is mostly the awful stuff that is most readily available. (this was my point about peer expectations to improve skills in some languages but not others).
If you did the conversions in a company, and everyone else can write clean Python then great :) Although perhaps getting people to write clean lang-x in the first place would have been just as productive. I speak from experience when I say trying to make people learn and write clean shell is a pain.
That is a valid counterpoint, and I concur. Good code can be written in any language, except PHP of course. (I would have said PHP or Perl, but I've actually seen good code in Perl, so I know it is actually possible.)
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I use bash day in and day out. It's my favorite shell. I've been using it for a long time.
But... whenever I need to do something for production, I reach for Python 3.x. I use git for source control. I have my code peer reviewed.
I've converted some other peoples bash scripts into Python. I've converted some other peoples Perl scripts into Python. I've converted some other peoples JavaScript on Node.js into Python.
Because I love Python? (Well, I am fond of it, true.) No, because the other code was hard to understand and hard to maintain and hadn't been code reviewed and wasn't abiding by the approved scripting engines. (Node.js is actually approved, but the other points hold.)
The "hard" part isn't a shortcoming of the language (after all, these aren't PHP), it's a shortcoming of the programmer making a tasty pot of spaghetti code -- and spaghetti code can be written in any language.
Yes, but some languages (and their baggage) can be more conducive to spaghetti ;-)
If you look for examples of good Python, Java, JavaScript, C, Golang, etc, you can find them, and there are LOTS of people trying to demonstrate how to do it properly. Examples are everywhere.
Shell (and to a lesser extent Perl) is plentiful in the wild - and it is mostly the awful stuff that is most readily available. (this was my point about peer expectations to improve skills in some languages but not others).
If you did the conversions in a company, and everyone else can write clean Python then great :) Although perhaps getting people to write clean lang-x in the first place would have been just as productive. I speak from experience when I say trying to make people learn and write clean shell is a pain.
That is a valid counterpoint, and I concur. Good code can be written in any language, except PHP of course. (I would have said PHP or Perl, but I've actually seen good code in Perl, so I know it is actually possible.)