I am not sure of who said that "the idea that anything built without using a framework is a toy is ludicrous". Even if someone did though, saying that "one shouldn't use a framework" is also as ludicrous.
Either has its place for the developer who understands. In at least one project for my clients I don't even have a library. In a few I use libraries and in some more I use frameworks.
They key is understanding the right tools for the job
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