I see gatekeeping as telling someone "you can't come in," when I have demonstrably stated that "if X, then you may not find this field to be a good fit for you."
To read everything herein and still label it gatekeeping requires deliberate misinterpretation. In any case, it's willfully misrepresenting my point as being exclusionary and discriminatory, when I have said absolutely nothing to that effect.
Not every person alive will be a good programmer, just like not everyone will be a good football player or a good violinist, because it's not right for everyone. But if someone wants to be a programmer, they must know what's involved, and consider the cost for themselves, the same as a football player or violinist must consider the effort necessary to achieve mastery.
But as I've said again and again, it is up to the reader to determine if this is true of them or not; I have never, and will never, make that judgement call myself.
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Gatekeeping is explicitly stating they shouldn't come in, but it also refers to creating an unwelcoming environment—regardless of intent.
Stating another person will not enjoy something they've yet to experience is part of that. Maybe they'll grow into learning the fundamentals as it becomes more practical. Maybe not.
If people are playing videogames and a girl tries to join, it would be gatekeeping to say "this is only for boys". Same with generalizing it to any sort of person.
I argue it is best to let the new person join, show them the best practices, and let them invest however much they want.
Additionally, when I play basketball, I'm not trying to put in the effort to become the next Michael Jordan. But it's still fun. I'm sure there's plenty of things you approach in the same way.
You would say this activity is not right for me?
Just because we do not agree with your takeaway does not mean we are actively misinterpreting you.
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Your comment is not the first to show that someone misinterpreted the article.
If the article is read soberly, you can clearly see that gatekeeping and other things were neither meant nor mentioned.
To have a discussion on such a topic is in principle productive and desirable. There are, however, rules for discussion which must be clearly adhered to and which distinguish a discussion from a dispute. Verbal direct and indirect attacks of another person, clear insinuations in offensive wording and snappish answers are not desirable.
On behalf of the community moderators I ask you to discuss this matter objectively and fairly. The discussion should not be stopped or censored, but it is everyone's right to be treated with fairness and respect!
We want to keep up to these standards in this community.
A Front-End Developer with a passion for learning how people work, the efficacy of good design, and a growing interest in the complexities of functional programming.
In what way am I verbally attacking said person, either directly or indirectly? I presented questions and scenarios that highlight my concerns. No insults or anything of the sort.
Furthermore, I was specifically referring to the comment I responded to. It seem to be joking about literal gatekeeping.
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I see gatekeeping as telling someone "you can't come in," when I have demonstrably stated that "if
X, then you may not find this field to be a good fit for you."To read everything herein and still label it gatekeeping requires deliberate misinterpretation. In any case, it's willfully misrepresenting my point as being exclusionary and discriminatory, when I have said absolutely nothing to that effect.
Not every person alive will be a good programmer, just like not everyone will be a good football player or a good violinist, because it's not right for everyone. But if someone wants to be a programmer, they must know what's involved, and consider the cost for themselves, the same as a football player or violinist must consider the effort necessary to achieve mastery.
But as I've said again and again, it is up to the reader to determine if this is true of them or not; I have never, and will never, make that judgement call myself.
Gatekeeping is explicitly stating they shouldn't come in, but it also refers to creating an unwelcoming environment—regardless of intent.
Stating another person will not enjoy something they've yet to experience is part of that. Maybe they'll grow into learning the fundamentals as it becomes more practical. Maybe not.
If people are playing videogames and a girl tries to join, it would be gatekeeping to say "this is only for boys". Same with generalizing it to any sort of person.
I argue it is best to let the new person join, show them the best practices, and let them invest however much they want.
Additionally, when I play basketball, I'm not trying to put in the effort to become the next Michael Jordan. But it's still fun. I'm sure there's plenty of things you approach in the same way.
You would say this activity is not right for me?
Just because we do not agree with your takeaway does not mean we are actively misinterpreting you.
Your comment is not the first to show that someone misinterpreted the article.
If the article is read soberly, you can clearly see that gatekeeping and other things were neither meant nor mentioned.
To have a discussion on such a topic is in principle productive and desirable. There are, however, rules for discussion which must be clearly adhered to and which distinguish a discussion from a dispute. Verbal direct and indirect attacks of another person, clear insinuations in offensive wording and snappish answers are not desirable.
On behalf of the community moderators I ask you to discuss this matter objectively and fairly. The discussion should not be stopped or censored, but it is everyone's right to be treated with fairness and respect!
We want to keep up to these standards in this community.
In what way am I verbally attacking said person, either directly or indirectly? I presented questions and scenarios that highlight my concerns. No insults or anything of the sort.
Furthermore, I was specifically referring to the comment I responded to. It seem to be joking about literal gatekeeping.