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There, i fixed it (i shouldn't have attacked you in person but i'm still super-triggered by this article, obviously i don't know your skills and therefore i can't be sure).
But i really don't appreciate you ignoring the w3c, inspiring other to do the same and basically lying about some points. Also reading the comments here is really eyeopening how backwards the current state of the web is, with companies trying to impose standards, people ignoring w3c. I can't stress enough how wrong and even dangerous this is.
specs, for the baseline, requisite parts of deploying web components today, and Proposals, for a lot of great future possibilities that are important to discuss as a community right now so our voices can be heard in the process, it's kind of how the w3c does its thing... It's a pretty beautiful process, even if its speed can leave you wanting at times. 😉Have you taken part in it before?
That is my point, but there is a big difference between discuss possibilities in the community and just saying: It's ready, just use it. And claiming that it is stable when it is totally not.
Can you confirm for me what you think a proposal is?
It has been my understanding that the w3c doesn't make those internally, the community does. It just so happens in this case that some of the proposals came from the Chrome team at Google which had been spending a lot of time with devs and found some valuable additions to be made to the platform. In that case of Template Instantiation it comes predominately from Apple. In the case of HTML Modules, Microsoft.
Is the w3c not a consortium on many vested parties that together come up with the future of the web? You speak as the web we all work with is laid down as dogma from some shadow group.
When you understand that the w3c's protocols on creating and establishing those standards would always start with a proposal that would need data (like how many like this implementation and how many people/devs/companies are implementing this proposed spec) to back up the claim that this spec is the way forward... then you'll understand that the web standard will always start at these proposals.
Besides, these proposals has phases.
"Browsers should implement what w3c envisions..." <- I think what w3c envisions always start in those proposals... and technically, they are already doing it.
Other than the Template Instantiation proposal, which of the technologies above aren't in the specs folder of that repo? Beyond that (which is noted very clearly as a proposal) everything else is 100% ready, as outlined in the article. What's more, discussion of the Template Instantiation proposal, and the benefits that will bring are have in the context of a production ready libraries that do similar work and specifically one that builds on the capabilities of the spec in anticipation of its arrival due to strong support across browser vendors and the developer community.
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I really don't appreciate your language and personal insults.
There, i fixed it (i shouldn't have attacked you in person but i'm still super-triggered by this article, obviously i don't know your skills and therefore i can't be sure).
But i really don't appreciate you ignoring the w3c, inspiring other to do the same and basically lying about some points. Also reading the comments here is really eyeopening how backwards the current state of the web is, with companies trying to impose standards, people ignoring w3c. I can't stress enough how wrong and even dangerous this is.
github.com/w3c/webcomponents/
github.com/w3c/webcomponents/blob/...
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proposal...
specs, for the baseline, requisite parts of deploying web components today, and Proposals, for a lot of great future possibilities that are important to discuss as a community right now so our voices can be heard in the process, it's kind of how the w3c does its thing... It's a pretty beautiful process, even if its speed can leave you wanting at times. 😉Have you taken part in it before?
That is my point, but there is a big difference between discuss possibilities in the community and just saying: It's ready, just use it. And claiming that it is stable when it is totally not.
Companies are using it. That's what drives the browsers.
There are stats in the post.
That is never a reason, and browsers should implement what w3c envisions, not the other way around.
Can you confirm for me what you think a proposal is?
It has been my understanding that the w3c doesn't make those internally, the community does. It just so happens in this case that some of the proposals came from the Chrome team at Google which had been spending a lot of time with devs and found some valuable additions to be made to the platform. In that case of Template Instantiation it comes predominately from Apple. In the case of HTML Modules, Microsoft.
Is the w3c not a consortium on many vested parties that together come up with the future of the web? You speak as the web we all work with is laid down as dogma from some shadow group.
Are you seriously suggesting browsers shouldn't focus on implementing anything and everything that is being massively polyfilled in the wild?
When you understand that the w3c's protocols on creating and establishing those standards would always start with a proposal that would need data (like how many like this implementation and how many people/devs/companies are implementing this proposed spec) to back up the claim that this spec is the way forward... then you'll understand that the web standard will always start at these proposals.
Besides, these proposals has phases.
"Browsers should implement what w3c envisions..." <- I think what w3c envisions always start in those proposals... and technically, they are already doing it.
Other than the Template Instantiation proposal, which of the technologies above aren't in the specs folder of that repo? Beyond that (which is noted very clearly as a proposal) everything else is 100% ready, as outlined in the article. What's more, discussion of the Template Instantiation proposal, and the benefits that will bring are have in the context of a production ready libraries that do similar work and specifically one that builds on the capabilities of the spec in anticipation of its arrival due to strong support across browser vendors and the developer community.