I understand Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) on some levels, but I feel like I never learned the concepts all that concretely. Can someone give me a really good overview?
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You and a friend need to share a toy:
You ask a friend if he can play with the toy.
Your friend asks you if you actually asked him for the toy.
You tell your friend that you asked for that toy.
He gives you the toy.
UDP:
The UDP example has me DYING. That's hilarious
UDP is inherently funny.
Maybe a more accurate description will be:
Your friend throws a toy at your direction thinking that it will hit you eventually and walks away.
You're explaining it to a five year old. The less nuance the better.
it's exactly the same information but with more words ;)
(adding info about what he is thinking which is not inherently important)
I have a five year old. There is nothing beyond this that should be added. You're fantastic. Do you have a five year old? Because this is spot on.
I don't, mostly for the reason above. :)
lol. Fair. :)
Well, maybe it's your friend. And it's probably s ball.
ROTFL!!!
Not an overview but for the sake of completeness this old joke must be on this thread:)
A group of kids are trying to talk into the school yard.
They need a technology so simple that would allow communication even if one kid left the circle. They were already talking into tin cans, so they invented the strings (TCP).
On a serious note, a good history lesson on why and how HTTP and TCP/IP was created Jeremy Keith
I could tell you a joke about UDP but you might not get it.
Telling this joke in an interview is what got me my current job.
Really, Ben? THIS is the one that bothered you, lol?
I took networking in college, and then a bunch of us went to a coffee shop with free refills, so I always demonstrate network packets with sugar packets.
Let us contrast it with UDP. Imagine you're behind me and ask for a sugar packet. I grab one and throw it over my shoulder. It's not my responsibility to throw it to you, and I don't care if you get it. If you're where I think you are, you can ask for more and more, getting enough sugar to sweeten everyone's coffee, which is why UDP is often used for video, but dropped sugar stays dropped.
TCP has the "three-way handshake", which is more like:
I would like a sugar packet
I heard you ask for a sugar packet
I did ask for a sugar packet
Here's the sugar
This way, the sugar packets don't end up all over the floor.
So how much sugar do I get to ask for in the first trip to the counter and each subsequent trip, and why is this so?
you ask for sugar and the server starts a session where he sends a numbered sugar sachets (TCP frames) and you confirm the delivery of each sachet (based on checksums) and as @gldraphael said the sugar arrives after the handshake
And if I understand correctly, the barista will give give me one packet on the first trip, then two, then four, etc. and in data terms, each packet is about 14k in size.
If sugar is the data, shouldn't it be handed over after the three way handshake?
Is TCP British? It sounds like one from the conversation flow.
I think additionally I could try and expand on this.
TCP is built on
Network Layer connection = how are we physically transporting this sugar
Internet Layer = Who is exchanging this sugar
Transport Layer = Which cup is this sugar going to
Network layer = responsible for physically transporting this data which is (e.g)
someone walking over or even throwing over the sugar to the person that is requesting it.
This can come in many forms such as ethernet or wifi(simplified). Are you throwing the sugar or are you physically walking there.
Internet Layer = You need to know where these packages are going, These layers usually have frames that contain destination IP and source IPs.
The source IP would be where the packet or sugar is coming from(which person) and where the packet should go destination IP(where the sugar is going)
This would be from a host to host level, we do not know which of the cups the sugar is going into
Transport Layer = Imagine the person asking for the sugar has got three cups. We need to know which cup the sugar is going into. for this purpose we describe the cups as having their port addresses.
Putting the sugar into the designated cup would be transporting from an process to process level transportation.
Transport layer will have different methods of transporting the sugar as it was mentioned. Which would be where I would reference the first comment posted of UDP vs TCP
What's the technical purpose for differentiating the Internet Layer and the Transport Layer? Why can't one "layer" handle IP and ports?
I am not sure of any accepted answer but one reasoning for this separation would be for applications that only implement up to one layer.
If there is a router that only implements up to the internet layer(because it doesn't need port control up to that point) it would easily be able to implement this functionality up the internet layer only.
This also proves the same for software that would only implement up to the network layer such as old switches
I agree with this. I'd also expand on this and say that different devices "unwrap" different layers of a packet. So yeah, it wouldn't necessarily make sense for an edge router to care what port is needed. It just needs to know where to send the packet (IP) and the target machine handles the rest.
separating out being able to figure out where a packet goes (internet layer) from anything about it's contents and purpose (transport layer) allows the infrastructure of the internet to be much simpler. It also means that only the machines communicating with each other need to be concerned with what's being sent and why, and developers can create new transport protocols tailored to their use (though this is usually not a good idea since people end up creating a nock-off tcp).
as an analogy: if the transport layer is the methodology for deciding when and how to chuck packets at each other, the internet layer is the muscles in your arms. They only need to be specialized enough to move the arms. They don't need to be concerned with the manner of packet chucking, nor should they be in case you want to chuck packets differently.
Layers of misdirection, and I might have to redo this before I can get to the five-year-old level.
My group is in the coffee shop, and there's enough people to require a few tables, and my table runs out. The people at my table know me, and know Dave = "seat nearest the bathroom". This part is MAC address to to IP address, which is done by Address Resolution Protocol, or ARP, and you can use computers your whole life without caring about this.
But next table over doesn't know me or where I sit, so when you ask them (serving as gateway) to pass some sugar, it is the job of the IP layer to handle the sugar-to-table part and the transport to know who to pass it to here.
Plus, on some tables, people just pass left, or right, but some might throw it right to me over the air. Actually, "how it goes" is more the job of transport layer, although which-one's-Dave is part of that.
Imagine you ask a friend to read you a long number over the phone. If you wanted to get this done really quickly your friend could just read all the numbers off as fast as possible. This might work, but maybe an ambulance drives by and you don't hear a few numbers, or maybe you can't write all the numbers down fast enough.
Naturally, you're going to ask your friend to read you a few numbers at a time and you'll let them know when they can proceed with the next ones. This sort of an informal implementation of TCP.
To extend the metaphor image the conversation goes like this:
You: Call your friend at his well known phone number
Friend: Answers phone, says hello
This is like the initiation of a TCP connection, instead of phone numbers TCP uses IP addresses and port numbers. Much like our normal phone etiquette, TCP/IP specifies a protocol, a very clear set of rules on how you connect and start the TCP conversation
You: "Ok, what is the first group of numbers?"
Friend: "1234"
You: "Ok, keep going"
This is like a TCP ACK which acknowledges successful receipt of the first bit of information. You just acknowledged you heard your friend and they could now continue transmitting the next chunk of information
Friend: "5678"
You: "Sorry, I missed that, we have a flaky connection. Can you please repeat the second group"
Friend: "5678"
You: Ok, got it, keep going
This was like a TCP retransmission. Something happened and you detected that you missed a bit of information, you ask your friend to repeat it
In this example, your friend is sending a few chunks of information at a time and you're ensuring you clearly receive everything and in the right order. While this might take a little longer than your friend rambling off the number as fast as possible, you're much more likely to correctly receive the number.
Obviously TCP is much more complex and well specified than an informal phone conversation. Computers need much clearer instructions than humans to complete any task. The underlying principles are the same though.
edit: typo's
I'd suggest you watch this and the next video on the playlist: youtube.com/watch?v=4IMc3CaMhyY&li...
A 5 year old might not understand that, but it'll give you a better overview of how TCP works. For better context read on TCP's features (flow-control, stream and connection oriented, etc.) first.
Thanks, looks great.
TCP is all fun and games until you start doing SACK (Selective ACK).
I am going to start handing you boxes. The boxes are numbered.
Your role is to drop the boxes into a hole in ground in order, based in the numbering.
When I give you a box, you read the number back to me.
If you are missing a number (I didn't give you that box, but I gave you a later one), tell me which is the one I gave you, and which is missing.
Keep doing that for arbitrarily many boxes.
If the boxes get too heavy, or if you feel it is a good idea, you can throw away the out-of-order boxes, and tell me which ones you kept.
I will try and only hand you boxes that you need, but I might send you duplicates now and then if you did not reply fast enough.
I just got a message in a bottle. It says something like: I would like to tell you about my troubles, but there's not room enough in this one bottle. I can receive this downstream from you, so please let me know if you got this. [it also says this is the distressed prisoner's first message]
I reply with: I got your bottle, and would like to help you. [I also mentioned that this is my first message]
The prisoner replies with: Thank you, I got your first message. [it is marked as the distressed prisoner's second message]
I also started receiving a bunch of other stuff: I got a bottle with a picture in it [marked as the prisoner's fourth message], a bottle saying "the following bottle contains a picture of where I am" [marked as the prisoner's third message], a bottle with my sister's name on it instead of the prisoner I'm trying to help [so I know it's unrelated], and a bottle with another picture in it [marked as the prisoner's sixth message].
After awhile, I dropped in another bottle, asking the prisoner to resend the fifth message [and marked it as my second message]. After a month of not getting a response, I eventually gave up.
TCP:
You need to ask mom and dad to get a toy. And only if you pay for the toy, and mom and dad do agree, you will get the toy.
UDP
Somebody is gifting you a toy.
Conclusion:
5 year olds love UDP
General TCP
You like candy
Your friend likes candy
You ask your friend if you can have the candy
If the candy you have is the same candy that your friend likes you give him some of the candy
If hes greedy he takes all of the candy
UDP
The candy is actually a carrot
Julia Evans created a good comic to explain twitter.com/b0rk/status/8022561852...