Unfortunately, these days so many people don't even know how to write a line of database-side scripting.
Well then, we must ask ourselves why is it the case? I always found triggers & procedures difficult to code, to comprehend once they're in place (for most developpers, knowing a legacy project involves procedures is an immediate red-flag), and worst of all, to scale.
As powerful as they are, they're not helping most developers to get the job done. I mean, I could do my groceries math using linear algebra and get the same results, but is it helpful?
I believe ORM have been adopted far and wide because they're an objectively more ergonomic tool and, again, more portable. What if I wanted to install that cool CMS everyone uses but dang, it needs a specific RDBMS at a specific version?
I also believe there is a place for people with a real expertise of stored procedures, triggers, and all the database delicious features I clearly know nothing about. In their own place, I'm sure they're immensely helpful.
So, instead of demeaning the work of millions because in your eyes they aren't worthy, why not just live and let live?
I'm not demeaning the work of anyone. It is a fact that scripting done on the database is generally faster than scripting done on the server.. You can quantify it. You claim ignorance PL/SQL , but yet you claim to profess that it is cumbersome and unnecessary in most cases. You claim that it is a red flag. It is a red flag because most people don't take the time to learn it. Most people try to learn 50000 languages in instead of learning one scripting language 1 compiled language and 1 database and learning them completely. Unfortunately our education system as it is currently structured creates a sort of attention deficit in its manner of teaching. Gone are the days of repetition and rote memorization. Instead people today tend to flit around from topic to topic instead of gaining mastery in any one thing. Yes this is a judgment about the current state of the industry. It is not a condemnation of any individual. It is simply simply an observation from someone that has been in this industry for many years.. Do I learn new things? Certainly I do. But I also know that it is a firm understanding of the fundamentals that keeps us future proof and employed for the long haul.
Whatever float your boat mate. I hope you're happy with that kind of thinking.
I don't want to see more comments like this and I'm not interested in arguing with you. You are a bitter, old fashion person and you have no respect for opinions other than yours, so I'm blocking you.
Let it be known that this individual resorted to name calling.. I am making an observation about the general state of things and he is attacking me as a person. What I am talking about is not old fashioned, it is time tested truth. code related to data manipulation belongs in the database. It's that simple. Sometimes people hide behind innovation Instead of doing the hard work. Learning PL/SQL is hard. So is everything worth learning.. You will truly future proof your skills if you master database programming.
Well then, we must ask ourselves why is it the case? I always found triggers & procedures difficult to code, to comprehend once they're in place (for most developpers, knowing a legacy project involves procedures is an immediate red-flag), and worst of all, to scale.
As powerful as they are, they're not helping most developers to get the job done. I mean, I could do my groceries math using linear algebra and get the same results, but is it helpful?
I believe ORM have been adopted far and wide because they're an objectively more ergonomic tool and, again, more portable. What if I wanted to install that cool CMS everyone uses but dang, it needs a specific RDBMS at a specific version?
I also believe there is a place for people with a real expertise of stored procedures, triggers, and all the database delicious features I clearly know nothing about. In their own place, I'm sure they're immensely helpful.
So, instead of demeaning the work of millions because in your eyes they aren't worthy, why not just live and let live?
Peace out.
I'm not demeaning the work of anyone. It is a fact that scripting done on the database is generally faster than scripting done on the server.. You can quantify it. You claim ignorance PL/SQL , but yet you claim to profess that it is cumbersome and unnecessary in most cases. You claim that it is a red flag. It is a red flag because most people don't take the time to learn it. Most people try to learn 50000 languages in instead of learning one scripting language 1 compiled language and 1 database and learning them completely. Unfortunately our education system as it is currently structured creates a sort of attention deficit in its manner of teaching. Gone are the days of repetition and rote memorization. Instead people today tend to flit around from topic to topic instead of gaining mastery in any one thing. Yes this is a judgment about the current state of the industry. It is not a condemnation of any individual. It is simply simply an observation from someone that has been in this industry for many years.. Do I learn new things? Certainly I do. But I also know that it is a firm understanding of the fundamentals that keeps us future proof and employed for the long haul.
Whatever float your boat mate. I hope you're happy with that kind of thinking.
I don't want to see more comments like this and I'm not interested in arguing with you. You are a bitter, old fashion person and you have no respect for opinions other than yours, so I'm blocking you.
Goodbye.
Let it be known that this individual resorted to name calling.. I am making an observation about the general state of things and he is attacking me as a person. What I am talking about is not old fashioned, it is time tested truth. code related to data manipulation belongs in the database. It's that simple. Sometimes people hide behind innovation Instead of doing the hard work. Learning PL/SQL is hard. So is everything worth learning.. You will truly future proof your skills if you master database programming.
Let it be known! I'm with Benjamin though. Your original comment is valueless in it's current form.