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I think Chris we are saying the same, with different words. Through my article, I emphasise the need for hard work, whether you have the degree or not.
So we agree here that it is very difficult, yet not impossible.
I think we can even agree that holding a CS degree does not make an engineer a brilliant, successful engineer, either.
One thing that I certainly disagree with you in, if I correctly interpreted you, is that a self-taught/experienced developer does not care for scalability, best practices, and lifecycle of the software. That people stay "just a coder" after many developing software. I think you're completely dismissing the knowledge a professional acquires through experience and practice.
The gaps in the foundation can be (and usually are) covered and the hands-on experience is invaluable.
But again, it is just one opinion. I don't think this healthy debate is about trying to make others think like you or me. It is about exchanging point of views. The industry will continue to benefit from diversity in backgrounds. And everyone can add value.
If you think that is what I'm saying, then yes, you've misunderstood my actual message here.
I say that the mentioned practices can only be acquired through exactly what you say, experience.
Nobody can learn all different practices by themselves or through any school that I know of.
My point was also that, yes, you can be a brilliant developer without any CS degree, but if you're aiming for a more computer science related role, involving AI and the likes, you'll certainly have a hard time learning all the math, the actual programming, plus the various topics that one can only get from having experience from more than one company and for a significant amount of time.
In conclusion, yes, I also believe we're saying a lot of the same here, using different words and contexts.
Sorry for any misunderstanding caused by me not being clear enough, and for getting a bit on the "hot" side at times...
Lead for JavaScript e2e DX at Microsoft Azure. ex-Architect at MongoDB. ex-Principal Architect Adobe Stack at Cognizant. GDE for #Angular and #WebTechnologies Opinions my own.
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Principal JavaScript e2e DX/Dev Tools Lead @Microsoft Azure
I think Chris we are saying the same, with different words. Through my article, I emphasise the need for hard work, whether you have the degree or not.
So we agree here that it is very difficult, yet not impossible.
I think we can even agree that holding a CS degree does not make an engineer a brilliant, successful engineer, either.
One thing that I certainly disagree with you in, if I correctly interpreted you, is that a self-taught/experienced developer does not care for scalability, best practices, and lifecycle of the software. That people stay "just a coder" after many developing software. I think you're completely dismissing the knowledge a professional acquires through experience and practice.
The gaps in the foundation can be (and usually are) covered and the hands-on experience is invaluable.
But again, it is just one opinion. I don't think this healthy debate is about trying to make others think like you or me. It is about exchanging point of views. The industry will continue to benefit from diversity in backgrounds. And everyone can add value.
If you think that is what I'm saying, then yes, you've misunderstood my actual message here.
I say that the mentioned practices can only be acquired through exactly what you say, experience.
Nobody can learn all different practices by themselves or through any school that I know of.
My point was also that, yes, you can be a brilliant developer without any CS degree, but if you're aiming for a more computer science related role, involving AI and the likes, you'll certainly have a hard time learning all the math, the actual programming, plus the various topics that one can only get from having experience from more than one company and for a significant amount of time.
In conclusion, yes, I also believe we're saying a lot of the same here, using different words and contexts.
Sorry for any misunderstanding caused by me not being clear enough, and for getting a bit on the "hot" side at times...
Thanks for clarifying! I had gotten you wrong! Have a great day!