re: The kind of job application process that makes me angry VIEW POST

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Some hire based on résumé, and some don't.
Some hire based on open-source contributions, and some don't.
Some hire based on reviewing code from a past project, and some don't.
Some hire based on fizz-buzz, comp-sci algorithm challenge, and some don't.
Some hire based on take-home practical assignment, and some don't.
Some hire based on pair-programming session, and some don't.
Some hire based on grabbing lunch and getting to know you and some don't.
Some hire based on punctuality and , and some don't.
Some hire based on a personal referral, and some don't.
Some provide you feedback, and some don't.

The qualifiers you want are the ones I don't want. Good or bad? Who's to say? To infer they are sexist or racist because they don't meet your preferred combo of qualifiers? 🚩 That doesn't sound right.

I am an experienced dev, I saw the challenge, and it asks to write a class and provide some tests. That is at most ~10 minutes of my time. 👍 It's fun, practical and applicable to the job. I like that.

Company doesn't call you back? Great! Mentally free 🏹 to continue the hunt. Called to tell me I didn't get the job? 😠 What an insult, I'd rather no followup unless its a job offer.

Last time I wanted a job, I applied to 7, had 5 offers the same day and the first offer within 30 minutes after leaving the interview. I refused to provide a résumé in all cases before a formal job offer was made. I only submitted a résumé as a formality to seal the deal. I didn't even have a LinkedIn until recently. I have an excellent résumé with 15 years in the industry only to ever hold CTO positions so why would I not use my résumé to my advantage? I have the mentality you are only as good as your last job that résumés do not matter.

How do you get the job you want? You give them something that makes it hard for them to say no.

I will identify a few places I want to work for and think about their stack, their pain points, their company culture and I will put together something they never thought to ask for and give it to them for free.

  • I have handed complete MVPs to companies for free with the codebase and all for them to use.
  • I will write an entire developer's handbook based on their stack and hand it to them.
  • I will shoot video tutorials on the technology they have an interest in adopting and give them the videos.

I will do all this work and message these companies all on the same day. I set a time limit something like 2-3 hours per and then ship it.

Don't have the time or are you not making the time? Did you have time to watch GoT Season 8 Episode 3? Did you find time to read about or watch Marvel's Avengers End Game? There is your time.

Good or bad hiring process? Who's to say?

 

will identify a few places I want to work for and think about their stack, their pain points, their company culture and I will put together something they never thought to ask for and give it to them for free.

That’s awesome, how do you manage not to spend a lot of time though for the MVPs?

 

I have built 40+ web-apps for paid. I dont know the real number of how many apps I've actually built.

Between 2005-2009 I entered a lot of 48 hour hackatons. Once you can get something out in 48 hours than it becomes 24 hours than 12 hours than 4 hours. You learn how to write just the code you need and also can leverage code from past projects. You just start to see patterns.

Rails is great because you can write your own generators, and so I just kept improving my own generators until I could generate out both backend and frontend 80% of an entire application based on writing a yaml file. This is just like how you can use CloudFormation to provision multiple AWS services.

 
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You sound like a complete dickhead.

 

The qualifiers you want are the ones I don't want. Good or bad? Who's to say?

I am, for the reasons above.

To infer they are sexist or racist because they don't meet your preferred combo of qualifiers? 🚩 That doesn't sound right.

Why not?

Company doesn't call you back? Great! Mentally free

But the time/energy is gone, and this could be discouraging for some applicants.

Called to tell me I didn't get the job? 😠 What an insult, I'd rather no followup unless its a job offer.

Fair enough! That's a preference I hadn't accounted for. Maybe it's more common than I'd assume at first glance.

You give them something that makes it hard for them to say no.

The examples you give are impressive, and I applaud you! Not everyone can make that kind of commitment during a job hunt.

Don't have the time or are you not making the time? Did you have time to watch GoT Season 8 Episode 3? Did you find time to read about or watch Marvel's Avengers End Game? There is your time.

To say "find the time" assumes the job hunter is doing an inadequate job of balancing their needs. I think that's dangerously presumptuous. (Though, to be fair, probably at least sometimes accurate.)

Your job hunting style is one I hadn't considered heavily. I've used the "shotgun approach," based on the assumption that I'd receive many rejections and no-responses (which I did).

Someone like you with more experience quite possibly should adopt a slower, more methodical approach. I still think the flippant tone of the application is a problem, but the actual process less so, given applicants with your level of experience.

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